J.C. Higgins Model 50

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Trying to get some help in figuring out what bolt action this is...and any other information someone could provide.

This weapon only has these three markings
1. Williams on the site.
2. 29004 on the side of the barrel...which I know is for the 30-06 ammo
3. 30-06.

That is it...I don't want to tear the stock down just to find out what model this is and what action. Also, trying to figure out if this is supposed to be magazine fed.

thanks Todd
So far it could be any 30-06 bolt action. How about some pictures?

You might do better posting a new thread.
 
unknown 30-06 help

Trying to get some help in figuring out what bolt action this is...and any other information someone could provide.

This weapon only has these three markings
1. Williams on the site.
2. 29004 on the side of the barrel...which I know is for the 30-06 ammo
3. 30-06.

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more pics of this unknown 30-06

here are a couple more pics of this 30-06
 

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That is an old WWII Japanese Arisaka army rifle somebody sporterized and put a take-off Ted Williams marked barrel on.

Sears never sold any rifle based on the Japanese Arisaka action like yours.

rc
 
interesting...I looked it up and it says there are many of these made but not many brought into US., unless soldiers brought back with them.

thanks for the info. i will take anymore info out there about this.
 
This is a custom built Arisaka. I don't know of any company who marketed any commercial Sporterized Arisaka reworks. If the work was well done,it should be a good shooter.
 
it is a very good shooter and the work on the stock and barrel look pretty darn good. It's cool to finally get the info on it.
 
I looked it up and it says there are many of these made but not many brought into US.,
There were about half a gazillion GI Arisaka floating around in the U.S. when I was growing up in the 1950's & got into doing gun work in the 60's.

They were a dime a dozen then, but it took a lot of work to sporterized them like yours. And there was very little good 7.7mm ammo available, or boxer primed cases for reloading.

Most amateur gunsmiths would not touch them, preferring to start out with a surplus 8mm 98 Mauser or 30-06 1903 Springfield they could buy ammo for.

rc
 
more info

Thanks for the assistance guys...since getting this info i was able to look up and identify that it still has the original receiver and barrel...markings identified as follows:

Type 99 Toyo Kogyo series 34, number 29004 of 99,999 1939-1945

markings in pics below.

Apparently At the end of WWII the chrysanthemum (mum) markings on the receivers of surrendered Japanese rifles were removed. The sixteen petal mum is the imperial symbol of the Japanese Emperor.

anyone got any other info?
 

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so here is the last question. if this is now rechambered and is marked with 30-06 by the smith...should i shoot the norma 7.7 or just standard 30-06...or both. Which is best for me to use?
 
If it has been re-chambered to 30-06, that is all you can shoot it now.
A 7.7 Jap cartridge would have very dangerous excess headspace in a 30-06 chamber.

However, if it says Ted Williams on the barrel, it is very very unlikely it is the orginial 7.7mm Jap barrel.

And if it is, it has a .312" bore.
The 30-06 has a .308" bore.

I would strongly suggest you find a gunsmith who can slug the bore and find out what size it is.
Then, check headspace with a 30-06 headspace guage.

I would not shoot anything in it until I did just that.

rc
 
yes, it has williams on the rear site....on the barrel it has the symbols I noted above and it has stamped 30-06. Something is telling me this is a 30-06 barrel and trying to be a replica...either way it sounds like godd advice to take to gunsmith and have them slug the bore.
 
Williams on the (site) sight huh!!
I thought he said in the side!

O.K> Got it now, I think.. :banghead:

rc
 
Site in the pic below has Williams on the other side of it.

marking onreceiver are in the pic below, which is supposed to translate to: Type 99 Toyo Kogyo series 34, number 29004 of 99,999 1939-1945 (Toyo Kogyo arsenal)

in the last picture you see the markings, on the left side on the barrel you can see it is stamped "30-06".

So is this a replaced barrel with the original receiver and action?
 

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No, I think it could well be the original barrel.

A lot of WWII vet bring-backs had a 30-06 chamber reamer ran in them because you couldn't get proper 7.7 ammo for them.

The gunsmith who re-chambered it stamped the new caliber on it.

That still doesn't make a .308" barrel out of a .312" one though.

rc
 
so what is your opinion of firing rounds through this barrel?

by the way, thanks for all the help
 
I wouldn't fire it on a bet.... You did do a fine job of hijacking a great JC Higgins Model 50 thread though.
 
I know this is a very old thread, but I too have a model 50 I am trying to outfit with a scope. So far all attempts to fit have fallen short- did the OP ever find mounts?
 
Any one have any leads on a stock for the model 50? I just noticed a crack going all the way to the back screw hole. My wife is afraid if I shoot it it would split and kill me.
 
I went to Wal-mart today and found a weaver base that fit my model 50 30-06. There is only one problem... First of all, this part may not be a problem, but the action is drilled and tapped 3 holes in the back, and the base I found has only 2 holes. So I'm guessing it may not be a problem..? Well the problem was when I screwed the weaver bases on, not too tight, but tight enough to see how it would look, well then I tried to reinsert the bolt..problem! The aft screws are sticking through and into a channel the bolt used. I'm thinking easy fix, just grind down the screws a little, and problem solved, right? You don't need so much of the screw sticking through the hole for proper retention of the scope, right? Just wanted to ask, and I'm sure someone has had this problem before.

Thanks in advance for any input/suggestions!
BleysAhrens
 
I went to Wal-mart today and found a weaver base that fit my model 50 30-06. There is only one problem... First of all, this part may not be a problem, but the action is drilled and tapped 3 holes in the back, and the base I found has only 2 holes. So I'm guessing it may not be a problem..? Well the problem was when I screwed the weaver bases on, not too tight, but tight enough to see how it would look, well then I tried to reinsert the bolt..problem! The aft screws are sticking through and into a channel the bolt used. I'm thinking easy fix, just grind down the screws a little, and problem solved, right? You don't need so much of the screw sticking through the hole for proper retention of the scope, right? Just wanted to ask, and I'm sure someone has had this problem before.

Thanks in advance for any input/suggestions!
BleysAhrens
There should be only two holes in the rear. If the screws are too long, I'd confirm that you have the right base. You may have the screws mixed front to back. If all else is OK, shorten the screws. Any part of the screw that protrudes past the action is wasted as far as holding the base on is concerned. Worse, the protruding thread may rust, preventing the screw from coming back out.
 
J.C higgins model 50 30-06 scope base numbers

Hi Folks can someone give me scope base numbers ect I am having a heck of a time. Thanks in advance
Kevin
 
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