Jerry Brown signed horrible new gun laws for CA

[CLP]

Maybe I skimmed through the links to the laws on another thread and just missed it, but is there any clause grandfathering existing firearms that are now banned? In other words, will people have to turn them in or move out of state or sell them out of state?

 

[Red Wind]

I just read this on another gun forum. The poster is usually very knowledgeable. I have not confirmed it myself at this point.

You have until July 1 2017 to turn in, transfer out of state, or destroy all of your magazines over 10 rounds. Possession is a three level fine $100/250/500

You have until January 1 2018 to register all of your "assault weapons" thats a 20 dollar fee in person 15 dollar fee online per and it is a felony not to

Starting July 1 2019 you must pay up to a 50 fee for an ammunition purchase authorization per year and you can be taxed up to $1 per transaction. All ammo whether it is boughy in state or online must go through a stae authorized vendor ( fee for that too) that will then enter your information into a database kept by California. Also if you transport any ammo in that you bought in other states it must be inspected by a vendor. That is a misdemeanor for violation.

 

[danez71]

To answer some questions that I didn't see answered

Rimfires are not included.

No grandfathering. Can not be sold or passed down within the state. When the owner dies... so does the rifle within CA according the current AW laws.


What appears to be a backfire, albeit temporary lm sure, is that the bullet button rifles that will now be required to be registered as assault weapons will have no requirement to have the bullet buttons and therefore can be taken off.


What will happen almost assuredly, is that after people comply and register them, and crime/terrorism continues, CA will have a nice list of AW, instead of just 'long guns', that they will use when they completely ban AW's. One day, it will be 'Turn turn your center fire semiauto''s with detachable mags.... we know who you are and where you live'.

On a bright note, the CA AG is going to the Senate so everyone else will enjoy her too. She is the next Feinstein but more dangerous as she is a smart lawyer.

And mark my words, if Hillary gets elected, she will be considered for nomination to SCOTUS.

 

[brewer12345]

I presume this will be challenged in Federal court, no? It is hard to see how this is not a serious infringement on Second Amendment rights.

 

[wankerjake]

Scary stuff

 

[Ignition Override]

And the UPS/Fedex delivery drivers in CA will have their trucks Filled with cases of ammo over the next few months!

The basic, original SKS rifles were "sleepers" in the weeks after Newtown. Now an SKS rifle with a Tech Sight might become almost fashionable.

Due to CA Governor Moonbeam Acid Trip, maybe ammo prices on distributors' websites will only go up .01-.02\rd. at most.

 

[mnrivrat]

My opinions include:


More to come on both a federal level ,and state level.

Within a relative short period of time (a few years at the most) all center fire semi auto's will either be banned or treated as those presently on the NFA list.
(rimfire guns may also suffer this fate) -(the $200 tax may well see an increase)

Anyone who votes for a democrate is part of the problem, but you can already see the writing on the wall that Republicans will not be the solution.

It is likely in my opinion that Hilary will be our next president. She has very powerful , ruthless,and wealthy folks on her side. She also has a lot of ghost voters to help her numbers.

Right or wrong those are my opinions : I have written my senaters and congress critters often, I am convinced that they couldn't care less what my opinions are on anything.

MAKE SURE YOU VOTE !!!! MAKE SURE YOU CARE ENOUGH TO TRY TO SAVE AMERICA !

 

[Carl N. Brown]

QUOTE: Need to shove in their noses that this silliness is having zero effect on firearms violence.

There is more in common among the population of perpetrators of violence, gun and non-gun, than there is between the populations of violent people and of people who own guns. These gun laws impact the vast majority of law-abiding citizens who own guns. We need a focus on violence, not an obsession with gun violence.

There is hope for California, maybe. My home county had local option prohibition 1953-1968 which was supposed to reduce alcohol violence. It didn't. It did put places like "The Bloody Bucket" and "The Sugar Shack" in the news. Repeal was met with dire predictions that, with legal alcohol, things would get worse, that there would be blood in the streets, drunken brawls. That didn't happen. Most of the public safety rationale of these prohibitionists is based on imaginary scenarios that these laws impact bad behavior by bad people. Like Justice Breyer, gun control advocates believe the benefits of gun control actually outweigh the cost in violation of constitutional rights. At least some will be open to proof the costs exceed a non-existant benefit.

The long gun registries in New Zealand and Canada, the ballistic fingerprint databases in Maryland and New York, were repealed when their failure became obvious. The Tennessee 15-day waiting period, discretionary carry permit with 95 different county standards, were replaced with instant check and carry permit administered like drivers license.

We need to shame these politicians for practicing voodoo criminology, attacking symbols rather than solving problems.

 

[Kiln]

At this point there's only one thing that will give California citizens their right back, and it's not voting.

 

[MIL-DOT]

It's California, 2016. The only good news is that, some day it will get better.

What?? This is pie-in-the-sky, delusional nonsense. There is ZERO rational reason to justify clinging to the belief that we aren't on a long slippery slope here, and that this isn't the wave of the future. :banghead:

Sad. My Yugo 59 SKS should still be good to go though. 10 round non-detachable magazine in 7.62x39 with no evil grenade launcher. Makes a lot of sense, no? .

This idea I agree with, and have also moved towards things like SKS's,lever guns, revolvers, and shotguns in the last several years, in anticipation of inevitable nationwide hi-cap bans. (but they'll still be coming for these, in time.)

 

[MIL-DOT]

It is hard to see how this is not a serious infringement on Second Amendment rights.

What should be equally easy to see, is the fact that they don't care.
This isn't about what is clearly right, or true, or fair. It's about an agenda, one that is coming from WAY up the food chain. This only gets worse,people.

At this point there's only one thing that will give California citizens their right back, and it's not voting.

Yeah, and it's not ever happening,either. Wait and see.

 

[barnbwt]

At this point there's only one thing that will give California citizens their right back, and it's not voting.

You mean not voting in California, right? Take one third of Kali gun owners, move them to swing states, and pro gun votes dominate all three branches of government within a decade, while Kali continues its descent into despotism as before. At that point, the possibility of a pro gun president sending the National Guard into California to enforce permitless carry & unfettered sales of assault weapons becomes a possibility.

California is in a state of insurrection at this time, having subverted the rights of its citizens in violation of our laws, and seeks the overthrow of the rest of the nation. The federal government will not intervene, since we are not sufficiently united in our strategy to force them to, as was done for Jim Crow & Segregation. These Californian "Gun Codes" are no less a baldfaced scheme to force a whole class of under-represented peaceful people into a way of life that is difficult, expensive, dangerous, and powerless.

TCB

 

[barnbwt]

What should be equally easy to see, is the fact that they don't care.

This. We've gone beyond legal justification, and are witnessing the end game. Owners will register neutered ARs so they can use normal mag releases for their ten round mags, and both ARs and SKSs will be banned within a few years, along with all centerfire semi-autos. Even if were freindly, USSC can't react fast enough to stop this, the state government won't stop it, nor will the federal government.

Just walk away, and go somewhere where your vote has value and your money isn't stolen to be used against all of us. Americans were never intended to live under tyranny, this is the basic principle of our nation. We were supposed to abandon failed 'laboratories of democracy' if they proved unstable, and seek to right them by rallying in the other states & federal. By suffering, you give not only money and representation to California, you legitimize their entire litany of abuses; were they truly unjust & irredeemable, you would leave the state & forget they were ever your countrymen.

TCB

 

[I6turbo]

I agree with MIL-DOT's line of thinking. And it's a matter of time - I'm not talking about next month or next year, but a matter of time - until DC acts as Sacramento did but does it for the whole country.

IMO, the fact that the country is going in this direction is squarely on the shoulders of the parents of who have allowed, and even paid for, liberal institutions to indoctrinate their children over the years in the types of ideology that they almost invariably do. They know who they are, and now their children are the ones who are giving the usurpers and the would-be dictators the numerical clout, the final bit of support needed to get away with clear violations of the Constitution's intent, and the political weaponization of various government agencies. As one commentator said after the 2008 elections: "It's over folks. We simply no longer have the electorate to change the direction. It's over." I'm afraid he was right.

 

[danez71]

Take one third of Kali gun owners, move them to swing states, and pro gun votes dominate all three branches of government within a decade,

Theres numerous problems with this erroneous plan.

The continual and adamant claim by many here that Californians that move out of CA only ruin those other states they move too. I believe you have made those claims too. Its quite the contradiction you state.

But lets go down both paths.
Lets say they do move, their dubious thinking will only weaken the swing states.

Lets say the move and they are truly 2A'ers. Now a gun free CA is the proven model that it can be done and it will continue to spread to other states.

Examples of CA gun laws that have spread to other parts of the country have been provided here.http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=10299066&postcount=12

The federal government will not intervene, since we are not sufficiently united in our strategy to force them to

Youre right... and yet you don't see the contradiction you make. You plan is to voluntarily hand over states to the antis..... to literally segregate the country.

That is thee most un-united suggestion that can possibly be made.

 

[danez71]

Here is what passed regarding AW and the bullet buttons.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160AB1135

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160AB1135



It looks like they were revised... again. And it looks like featureless centerfire semi autos with detachable mags came out relatively unscathed.

IOW, centerfire semiauto with detachable mags look to be ok as long it has a traditional rifle stock and no threaded barrels, heat shrouds and some other scary looking feature.

 

[Red Wind]

Originally Posted by Red Wind
"It's California, 2016. The only good news is that, some day it will get better."


What?? This is pie-in-the-sky, delusional nonsense. There is ZERO rational reason to justify clinging to the belief that we aren't on a long slippery slope here, and that this isn't the wave of the future. :banghead:

Welcome back. MIL-DOT! As feisty as ever! Shame you are gonna be wrong as usual!

 

[Realist]

Emmett Watson, reporter for the Seattle PI, made bumper stickers reading ''Don't Californicate Washington'' back in the day.

Didn't work - watch your six.

 

[X-Rap]

We will never be able to love the fence sitters enough, any loss of 2a rights will almost always be blamed upon those strict literal believers.
I heard yesterday that some expected Moonbeam to compromise like he had in the past, never could understand how compromise = only signing half the restrictive laws passed in the legislature. Probably the same rational that says they didn't pick my bad gun because it has a wood stock or doesn't have one of those "things that drop down".

 

[Guy B. Meredith]

One news agency opined that only half the measures were signed as the others are contained in Newsome's nonsense and Brown didn't want to make having it on the ballot pointless.

"IOW, centerfire semiauto with detachable mags look to be ok as long it has a traditional rifle stock and no threaded barrels, heat shrouds and some other scary looking feature. "

So real weapons of war like M1 Garands are still okay? And they are not gong after other real weapons of war like the Remington 700 sniper (hunting) rifle? :banghead:

 

[danez71]

One news agency opined that only half the measures were signed as the others are contained in Newsome's nonsense and Brown didn't want to make having it on the ballot pointless.

"IOW, centerfire semiauto with detachable mags look to be ok as long it has a traditional rifle stock and no threaded barrels, heat shrouds and some other scary looking feature. "

So real weapons of war like M1 Garands are still okay? And they are not gong after other real weapons of war like the Remington 700 sniper (hunting) rifle? :banghead:

That appears to be correct per the bills I linked to.


Semi-autos like a 223/556 with a 10 round mag pistol are somehow inherently more deadly because it has a pistol grip or telescoping stock.

And because of those pistol grips, and telescoping stocks, they apparently are more deadly than a Remington 7400 Semi-auto 30-06 with a tradition stock and 10 round mag because those are a-ok. :banghead:

 

[Red Wind]

Tuesday morning I put in my heavy order for Tinfoil Stocks!
What goes around comes around.California will one day be back to normal, gunwise.

If you don't believe in anything, you might as well die.

 

[barnbwt]

But lets go down both paths.
Lets say they do move, their dubious thinking will only weaken the swing states.
<if so, there is truly nothing of value left to us in CA whatsoever, so isolation from external support while denying them what internal support is possible is the only recourse>

Lets say the move and they are truly 2A'ers. Now a gun free CA is the proven model that it can be done and it will continue to spread to other states.
<actually, this is our end-game; let their gun free Utopia collapse into the hell of unchecked crime and abusive state power, which will almost immediately destroy their economy & drive forth what few liberty-minded supporters remain. So weakened, CA will be unable to defend its tyrannical policies against externally-organized authority. This course of action relies on faith in the historically-proven inferiority of tyrannical systems versus more vibrant freedom.>

California is beyond redemption; it must be forced to reform if things are ever to get better there. I suspect that at this point, the state of California typically siphons more money & resources from each gun owner to be used against them, than they will realistically be able to offset with contributions of time or money to gun rights orgs.

My viewpoint on this from outside California is purely strategic at this point; sorry if that offends or upsets anyone, but the objective view is that the battle there is already lost, and you are at the point where only stragglers remain to be picked off. However, due to the very scale of the Californian super-state, even those stragglers would constitute an unbeatable force in many, many other districts that currently hang in the balance. Thanks to the Constitution and congress, there is a lower limit on how little representation they can enjoy at the federal level, and it is at this time far higher than what is available to gun owners in California. Senators, specifically, but also representatives.

Examples of CA gun laws that have spread to other parts of the country

Your example is a national law (AWB) that leaked out of California to be passed by a narrow majority in congress. This is the exact scenario the emptying CA of its ineffective pro-gun representation & employing it into more contentious districts will specifically protect against. Again, our system of governments is supposed to reward the freest, and stifle the tyrannical; what good can possibly come of supporting such a system with no realistic path to victory?

I would implore gun owners to pour back into California were court decisions or constitutional amendments or secession re-opening the possibility that gun owners would find their freedoms protected and their voices represented. None of these things is likely at this time, however further arbitrary restrictions passing unopposed that make life even more unbearable are inevitable.

Last question: why do you think the refugees & immigrants being imported to expand future Democrat representation are not being isolated to their main power bases in California and NYC? Is it because it makes more sense to distribute them to more contentious areas in the hope they will tilt some left, and expand the held territory?

TCB

 

[barnbwt]

So real weapons of war like M1 Garands are still okay? And they are not gong after other real weapons of war like the Remington 700 sniper (hunting) rifle?

Give it a year or two, the limit will be dropped to 7 rounds, and there will be even less effective opposition. The only question is whether that will be because thousands gave up on being law-abiding or gun owners, or whether they decided to contribute where their effort matters.

TCB

 

[16in50calNavalRifle]

Just FYI to those interested - and take this as a quick summary from someone not steeped in the arcane (and obviously pointless) details of CA's long-standing restrictions on certain aspects of ARs ......


The new semi-auto law does not ban anything not already banned, it requires registration of ARs/etc. with "features" as "assault weapons". (there might be some effective ban on some version of AR pistols, but I haven't seen any clear explanation on that yet). "Featureless" ARs are not newly restricted and do not require registration.

Mags with more than 10 rounds are banned - this is new, I am not sure of all the details (not owning any grandfathered 10+ mags).

At first glance, and not speculating about future developments (e.g. AR registration facilitating bans/confiscations in the future), the worst of the new laws is by far the ammo regulation nonsense. To summarize brutally, background check/non-prohibited person status required for ammo purchases. Online purchase with delivery to customer only for C&R/add'l state permit holders, otherwise all out-of-state ammo buys must be delivered to a local dealer. And no importation of in-person purchases out-of-state.


Keeping in mind that the "courts", esp. things like the 9th Circuit, are not bound by the constitution, history, common sense, logic, or integrity of any sort any longer, when it comes to select issues*, it would seem that the ammo thing has multiple legal vulnerabilities. Those who organize to pursue such things in the courts have not yet publicly reacted, but I've got to think they've been working on challenges for some time.

So it's very bad, but perhaps not bad in the way many are reasonably assuming.

(* this blasphemy is of course well-founded in common sense observation of the 9th and other courts, but I'm hoping is not subject to the extensive specific documentation requirement in this section that it would be in another THR section)