Jim Cirillo's Bullet designs - Anybody selling them?

[RichardB]

If Cirillo's bullet design is better than what is available it seems that one of the big ammo manufacturers would be selling it in loaded ammo?

 

[DWFan]

One of the reasons why Speer discontinued their 200gr .45 caliber "Flying Ashtray" was the negative publicity that was begining to develop among the "criminal rights" advocates after the gunwriters wrote about it's expansion characteristics. Cirillo's design would have gotten even more negative attention.
Criminal rights advocates believe that the bad guy has the right to mutilate, rape, kill and dismember without the fear that they will be "unnecessarily injured" by someone acting in self defense.

 

[josh8042]

Anyone got pics of the pin grabber bullet?

Sorry to resurrect this older thread, but I was just wondering if this is the "pin grabber" bullet design to which you are referring? It appears to have a copper jacket surrounding steel shot suspended in a clear polymer. At first I thought it was just a shot shell, but then I noticed that the shot is not loose inside (I would assume that it is designed to separate on impact). The headstamp simply reads Winchester 38spl. I've never seen anything like it. If it's not the same as what you are talking about, does anybody know what it is?



UPDATE: I have verified through someone much more knowledgable than myself, that the jacket on this round is indeed the "pin grabber" design, but so far have been unable to determine why it is has shot and epoxy instead of lead or what it would be useful for.

 

[notorious]

That's the MagSafe round with the shot epoxied inside which is comparable to the other brand... what's it called, the frangible ammo with the #9 shot inside... with the blue polymer tip... Glaser safety slugs... that's it.

Glaser was the first one to come out with a jacket holding epoxied small shot in their bullets so that overpenetration in urban settings would be avoided. Then Magsafe came out right afterwards but used bigger shot for more stopping power, according to their theory on why they used bigger shot than Glaser.

Here's magsafe's website showing a few pics of your ammo:

http://www.magsafeonline.com/

The Pin Grabber design is very similar to what your pic shows but it is more closed off and looks more like those "breacher" tips we see on shotguns nowadays except it is of course more tapered at the tip than the shotgun tips to account for the contours of the bullet. There is nothing in the middle of a pin grabber other than lead. It is a bullet cut to have the buzzsaw teeth on the tip, nothing else.

 

[Drako]

I know they used to cut a cross on the nose of certain rounds for bear hunting in the old days. better take down result is what the old guy told me and a 30-30 make nice whole in tree doing that .

 

[josh8042]

That's the MagSafe round with the shot epoxied inside which is comparable to the other brand... what's it called, the frangible ammo with the #9 shot inside... with the blue polymer tip... Glaser safety slugs... that's it.

Glaser was the first one to come out with a jacket holding epoxied small shot in their bullets so that overpenetration in urban settings would be avoided. Then Magsafe came out right afterwards but used bigger shot for more stopping power, according to their theory on why they used bigger shot than Glaser.

Here's magsafe's website showing a few pics of your ammo:

http://www.magsafeonline.com/

The Pin Grabber design is very similar to what your pic shows but it is more closed off and looks more like those "breacher" tips we see on shotguns nowadays except it is of course more tapered at the tip than the shotgun tips to account for the contours of the bullet. There is nothing in the middle of a pin grabber other than lead. It is a bullet cut to have the buzzsaw teeth on the tip, nothing else.

You are right. Mystery solved. Thanks for the information.

 

[notorious]

I know they used to cut a cross on the nose of certain rounds for bear hunting in the old days. better take down result is what the old guy told me and a 30-30 make nice whole in tree doing that.

We cut crosses on the noses of our LRN bullets when we went vampire and werewolf hunting.

 

[josh8042]

We cut crosses on the noses of our LRN bullets when we went vampire and werewolf hunting.

I don't know about vampires, but you can't hurt a werewolf with lead or crosses, so you I hope you don't find one.

 

[notorious]

True true... I have to cut crosses in my Winchester Silvertips for that... unless they are vampire werewolves, in which case I might have half a chance.