Jim's Pawn & Gun Jobbery's firearms license in danger

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Published on: 2005-11-18



Jim's Pawn & Gun Jobbery's firearms license in danger


By Matt Leclercq
Staff writer



The ATF, which announced this week the revocation of firearms licenses for two Fayetteville pawnshops, is pursuing similar action against one of the city's most well-known dealers: Jim's Pawn & Gun Jobbery.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives decided that the business on Yadkin Road should lose its license based on inspections that turned up paperwork discrepancies. The allegations include 80 instances in which firearms transactions weren't properly documented, according to court filings.

Jim's is fighting to retain its licenses for its Fayetteville location - a fixture for decades - and for another shop in Wilmington. Lawyers for the business's owner, James M. Faircloth, have filed a federal lawsuit appealing the ATF's decision.

The problems facing Jim's - dealing mainly with procedural errors - are unlike the case of Cumberland Pawn & Loan Co., which the ATF said Wednesday had lost licenses to sell guns at two of its Fayetteville shops. In that case, the bureau's investigators said employees had sold firearms to felons or people associated with felons. Cumberland Pawn could have appealed the revocations in court but declined to do so.

Lawyers for Jim's blame human error. The government must prove that employees willfully violated the law. Gerald Beaver, one of the lawyers, said that's not the case with Jim's. Shutting down a reputable business such as Jim's, which also houses a firing range popular with soldiers and lawmen, would encourage shady gun dealers elsewhere, he said. The Fayetteville shop has held a firearms license since 1977, according to court documents.

"Here, the rate of error is exceedingly low," Beaver said. "Jim's is respected throughout the entire industry. ... When the government comes in and puts unrealistic expectations upon a business and puts good, honest, hard-working, respected people out of the business, it's just encouragement for the type of clandestine firearms transfers that go on."

The ATF has not commented on the proceedings.

The case against both Jim's pawnshop locations is outlined in paperwork filed in U.S. District Court. ATF investigators conducted an inspection and audit of the businesses last year. The ATF conducted an in-house hearing on the violations and recommended that the shops lose their licenses. A third location of Jim's, in Moore County, is not a part of the proceedings.

According to court documents, the audit's findings for the Fayetteville shop include:

Employees failed on 20 occasions to record the acquisition of firearms by the end of the next business day, as required by law.

Employees failed to record documentation of a customer's identification on five occasions. The business argues in court paperwork that the customer in question was a regular whose identification had previously been verified.

On nine occasions, employees failed to record documentation of ID verifying the home address of customers.

On six occasions, employees failed to "timely" report the sales of multiple handguns.

Employees failed to properly document firearms transactions on 80 occasions. The inspection originally found 230 instances of missing records, though most of them were later accounted for. Lawyers for Jim's filed paperwork explaining the 80 instances of unrecorded transactions, including that 16 of those firearms were sold but had discrepancies in serial numbers; 17 were transfers to another store owned by Jim's; 18 were multiple-gun sales in which only one transaction was recorded; and 25 were instances involving gun repairs or customer returns.

The mistakes were "inadvertent, technical record-keeping errors," the documents say.

At the Wilmington location, the ATF inspections found 28 instances of failing to have the proper paperwork filled out for the sale or other disposition of firearms and failure to timely record the sale or disposition of 20 other firearms.


Earlier warnings

Jim's has been warned before about filing proper paperwork, according to the ATF's court filings. Investigators who conducted similar inspections of Jim's Fayetteville shop found problems with record-keeping in 1996, 2000 and 2001, according to court documents. Those cases led to warnings that future violations could lead to license revocation.

"I don't know how much perfection the government expects from human beings in the operation of a business," Beaver said. "You try your best, you try to come up with proposals and arrangements to make sure that things don't happen, and sometimes they do."

Staff writer Matt Leclercq can be reached at [email protected] or 486-3551.
 
RoyG said:
In that case, the bureau's investigators said employees had sold firearms to felons or people associated with felons.

I wonder what they mean by "people associated with felons".

My father is a convicted felon. I associate with him. Does that mean that gun dealers shouldn't sell guns to me? :rolleyes:
 
Employees failed on 20 occasions to record the acquisition of firearms by the end of the next business day, as required by law.

Do any FFL holders out there have any idea how the ATF would know this? I always log mine in as soon as they enter or leave (usually within 3 minutes so that I don't forget), but I can't figure out how the ATF would know if a gun arrived on Monday and I logged it 3 days later. Were these guns that were in the shop at the time of inspection that weren't on the books?

I could see how they could check this on the disposition side, because there is a 4473 with a date, and if the date in the book doesn't match then there is an issue, but I can't figure out how they would know what day the gun arrived vs. what day it was put in the books.
 
Do any FFL holders out there have any idea how the ATF would know this?
could be several reasons. maybe ATF inspectors found their books not completed, but the guns were on premises?

maybe when the guns come in, some other paperwork is used (such as a consignment sheet) and not logged in the book. the book should show the date its logged in.

if a dealer cannot be bothered to follow simple rules and spend a few minutes logging a gun in, what else are they deficient in?

after working at WWG since the beginning of summer, its my educated opinion that it really isnt a big deal to do the paperwork right the first time.
 
Don't forget you have to sign for the package when it's delivered.For the Post Office,all it takes is an official request from any government agency and they'll know when it was delivered.Also,could it be possible they were tracking the shipment from its origin?That might be considered entrapment,depending on the circumstances...
 
Too bad the federal government isn't persecuting illegal aliens as energetically as it is firearms dealers.

No, "persecuting" isn't a typographic error. I didn't mean "prosecuting." I meant "persecuting."
 
Grrrreeeeeeaaaat news.....:rolleyes:

I live alll the way out in WATHA, and what do they do? get ready to kill one of the only gun shops I know of in wilmington......its hard enough finding shops near by.
 
Whoa! That's crazy...I've been in the Fayet-Nam shop dozens of times. I remember reading the first review of the H&K MP10 in the states in Guns and Ammo which was done in that range probably 12 or 13 years ago. One of the bigger, nicer shops around. I actually went to college with Jim's nephew. I haven't spoken to any of them in years, but I can't believe they've done anything to warrant having their license pulled. I mean, sure, the government can give the guy a hefty fine to make their point, audit him again in six months to make sure it's sunken in, then move on to more important ???? like, oh I dunno...protecting our borders? Tracking down terrorists? Getting drug dealers off the streets? After checking into getting my own FFL, I've discovered they've effectively made it impossible for you to get a license unless you're already in the business...now I guess they'll get down to shutting down the businesses that are already out there.
 
I subscribe to the "What's sauce for the goose shall be sauce for the gander" philosophy. When the government can document (not claim, but DOCUMENT) that they do every single transaction and interaction to 100% perfection ... at that point I might consider thinking about maybe not objecting when they ask for 100% perfection from mere mortals who actually have to worry about earning a living, cash flow, insurance, did I lock the door when I left the store ...

Not gonna happen. The BATFE should be disbanded.
 
An FFL I know locally says he puts back $1 for every $1 he makes, because he know he's going to need it to fight the ATF in court come renewal time. He usually has the same sort of "violations" as Jim's. The guy is as careful as they come, but if you do enough volume, you will make the occasional mistake.
 
Do you pay by check or have a cash register that dates payouts?

Sometimes, but the date a check was cashed has no bearing on when the gun was shipped to me. Could be same day, could be two weeks later while the shipper was on vacation.

Don't forget you have to sign for the package when it's delivered.For the Post Office,all it takes is an official request from any government agency and they'll know when it was delivered.

95% of the time i don't sign for anything. Even when the box has huge stickers that say "adult signature required" I still get boxes dropped at the door.

I think spaceman might have it right, there must be some sort of paper on the premesis that gave it away, or the guns were in the shop and just not logged in at all.

I also think some of the mistakes they pick up are pretty trivial. I brought my stack of 4473s to an ATF seminar a couple months after I started business and asked them to give them a quick look to make sure I was doing everything correctly. Out of about 80 4473s, twice someone hadn't checked the "not applicable" box for the nonimigrant alien question and I failed to notice, and once I signed my name in the "print" box and Printed it in the "sign" box. I was pretty pleased with my lack of errors, but the ATF guy said "that's OK, but you did have 4 problems." :uhoh:
 
I signed my name in the "print" box and Printed it in the "sign" box.

They call these problems?

Zero tolerance mentality is a problem.

Bureaucrats are infuriating. Just doing their job.

I better stop.

Vick
 
80 mistakes is a lot. FFL records are supposed to be exact. It isn't rocket science and it is the job of the employees to handle and record all transactions properly as per the law. In fact, it is anything but rocket science, but it does require attention to detail. Back in the 70s and 80s, the most such mistakes found at our stores was 3 and we managed quite a few 100% problem free records inspections. Of course, we didn't let a gun matter span multiple days either. At the end of each business day, all gun transactions had to be completed in total as per the bookwork.

Jim's knows the rules as well as any other FFL holder. Since Jim's has been around so long, you have to wonder what it is that has happened recently that has allowed or caused there to be an inability to do paperwork properly as per the regulations. Apparently prior to 1996, Jim's has not been warned about problems, no doubt as problems were likely minimal. So now Jim's has received several warnings about improper dealings and records. Just how many warnings should Jim's get? The store may have been around for decades, but the last decade has been sloppy.

This was great,
"I don't know how much perfection the government expects from human beings in the operation of a business," Beaver said. "You try your best, you try to come up with proposals and arrangements to make sure that things don't happen, and sometimes they do."

Of course, Beaver wasn't coming up with excuses for doing the job right prior to 1996. These things just "don't happen" as claimed. You have to wonder why his store has these things just happen when they aren't just happening to other stores.

If the problem was human error, then Jim's should have come up with a plan and implemented it to be sure that such errors are caught. The warnings started in 1996. If they haven't figured out how to deal with these "human errors" by now, I sort of doubt they are going to figure it out on their own. Maybe this will be the swift kick in the pants for them to get their affairs in order.

Just because a business is well respected does not mean it is operating within the law.
 
When they re-named the business several years ago, I wondered why no one seemed to have bothered to look up the word in the dictionary.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=jobbery

Main Entry: job·bery
Pronunciation: 'jä-b(&-)rE
Function: noun
: the act or practice of jobbing; especially : corruption in public office

Still, sorry to see this going on. Jim's (to me) was always a great place to shop, no telling what you might run across there because they have a massive inventory of new and used firearms, plus tons of ammo and accessories.

lpl/nc
 
hey, if someone gets granted a FFL there are certain guidelines that are required to be met and paperwork required to be done. If the FFL holder can't do that pretty simple task, they don't deserve the priviledge to have the liscence. There's definately times when you gotta play by the rules or don't play at all. If this same idiot shop made a bad sale and got caught, everyone would be all for them losing their FFL. Sory, no sympathy for stupidity and laziness. :evil:
 
Update....

Gun shop fighting to keep dealer license


By Paul Woolverton
Staff writer

Jim’s Gun Jobbery of Fayetteville and a sister store in Wilmington have been granted a trial in their fight to keep their firearms dealer licenses.

The trial is scheduled for April 21.

The survival of Jim’s, one of the area’s most prominent gun dealers, may hinge on the outcome.

In 2004, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives revoked the gun sales licenses of the Fayetteville store and Jim’s Pawn & Gun of Wilmington. The bureau contended that the stores were lax in keeping records of their gun inventory and sales. Gun dealers are required to keep records in an effort to keep weapons away from criminals.

Both stores are owned by James M. Faircloth of Fayetteville.

The stores say their employees made a small number of unintentional mistakes in record keeping. With the high volume of business, there will be occasional lapses, they argued.

Jim’s appealed the revocations to federal court and has been allowed to continue selling guns in Fayetteville and Wilmington pending the outcome of the appeal.

The U.S. Attorney’s Office has tried twice to get a federal judge to rule that Jim’s fouled up the paperwork intentionally or didn’t care whether it kept good records. On Wednesday, U.S. District Court Judge Malcolm J. Howard rejected that claim.

His ruling notes that the ATF sent a warning letter to Jim’s that said, “it appears that you have made a concerted effort to comply with the laws and regulations governing firearms transactions.”

Howard said Jim’s is entitled to a trial to decide the issue.

Jim’s is glad that the judge rejected the government’s request and sent the case to trial, said Gerald Beaver, the company’s lawyer.

“We’re pleased that the judge has taken a realistic view of what is to be expected of people who are involved in large operations and realize that to err is human,” he said.

Staff writer Paul Woolverton can be reached at [email protected] or 486-3512.

http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=282189
 
80 mistakes is a lot. FFL records are supposed to be exact.

Yep. Funny, they don't hold the same standards for the NFA database. Seems like it would kinda punch holes in the zero tolerance approach to gun dealer records if they compared them to ATFE's own recordkeeping abilities. According to their audit standards, they're willing to tolerate up to 19650 NFA registrations that they can't find by searching on the registrant's name, and they are willing to tolerate 49125 registrations that don't have the supporting paperwork. This is out of a population of 980000 NFA registrations. :uhoh:

Of course, these are just machine guns, short barreled shotguns and rifles, AOW's and destructive devices. Not even close to the same thing as an FFL dealer failing to log a consignment .38 by the next day.

Now, the error rates, discovered in the actual audit sample were lower than the acceptable levels (zero errors were observed in two categories). My point is that an agency that approaches an audit of something like the NFA database by setting acceptable error rates like being able to find registration paperwork only 95% of the time, has no business requiring 100% correct paperwork of an FFL.


From an audit of the NFA database...(note the acceptable error rates for the auditor. 5% for missing registration documentation :eek:)

NFA Owner Name Review
Attributes Sampling Data Summary


Client: ATF
Period Covered: N/A
Sampling Objective: Test if an NFA name search would find the
name being searched and then if the
search would find supporting registration
documents.
Population Size: 982,471
Population Description: The number of weapons in the NFA database
as of 2/2/96, based on the Weap_Serial
field.
Sampling Unit: Each database record.
Random Sample Size: 325, plus 25 replacement samples, for a
total of 350 items sampled.
Selection Procedure: Download the current NFA database into an
Access database for sequential numbering.
Select the samples, re-sort the database,
and print a list of the samples selected.


Attributes Tested Planned Sampling Parameters
Definition of Error Confidence Acceptable Expected Sample
Level UPL (a) Error Size
Rate
1. Search would not find 99% 2% 2% 325
a record because of a
mis-entered name,
searching on the first 3
characters of a name,
considered a critical
error.

2. Search found non- 95% 10% 5% 114
critical error, other
than the first 3 name
characters, such as
errors in other
portions of the
name field.

3. Search did not find 99% 5% 2% 325
a supporting document.

...

Notes: File: NFASam.WK4
(a) Abbreviations: Updated: 02/07/96
AUPL: Acceptable Upper Precision Level. 12:26 PM
CUPL: Computed Upper Precision Level.
Obtain CUPL from a statistical results table.
(b) Rate = Actual mathematically calculated rate.
Initials Date
WP Done by: RJH 02/07/96
Reviewed by: DVG 2/7/96

...

o The Acceptable Upper Precision Level (AUPL), which is the
maximum tolerable error rate that the auditor will
reasonably accept, and is a question of professional
judgment, related to the materiality of the type of
error. For the NFA review, we considered 2% as an
acceptable name search AUPL for attribute 1, since we had
only limited experience with the database, yet at the
same time considered any errors of the first three name
characters to be critical errors for purposes of the
test.

o Expected Error Rate, needed to select the initial sample
size, by using a statistical sampling chart for attribute
sampling. For the NFA review, the sample size with a
Confidence Level of 99% and an Expected Error Rate of 2%
for attributes 1 and 3, and a precision of +/- 2%, is 325
samples, as shown on Table D-3A, page 354 of Herbert
Arkin's Handbook of Sampling for Auditing and Accounting
Third Edition, copyright 1984. To be conservative, we
assumed that we would find some samples that were void
entries or otherwise not valid samples that would need to
be replaced with another sample, so we added 25 to the
sample size, for a total of 350 samples.

link at NFA database audit
 
it hink that they should just disban the batfe

they spend more time going after gunshops that didnt mean to do anything wrong and are just tryng to make a legal living

when u sell 500+ guns a year you are sure to have some screw ups now and then
 
Thank you RoyG, excellent post.

people associated with felons.

So everybody who has attended AA meetings, like President Bush, is now
prohibited from buying guns?.

Every Christian who brings the good book to the down and out is now suspect?

Are we now expected to run a background check on our friends?

If you put CA instead of California you should lose your FFL?
 
That sucks. I bought my first handgun from Jim's in Fayetteville when I turned 21. I've also bought ammo and a holster or two from their Wilmington location.

I'm gonna be in Fayetteville in a few weeks for a conference and I was planning a trip by there to browse the used racks.....:(
 
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