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John Lott: AHSA "Fake" Organization for Gun Control by Democrats (URLRegisty Details)

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  1. Connecticut Yankee

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    http://johnrlott.tripod.com/2005/08/democrats-set-up-fake-organizations-to.html

    8/3/2005
    Democrats set up fake organizations to support gun control policies
    Democratic Leadership Council use PR firm to push more Gun Laws

    A Washington based PR Firm called DCS - Internet Advocacy Group thats used by a list of who's who in the Democrat party as well as the official PR firm for the Democrat leadership Council (DLC) that Sen. Hillary Clinton is the 'Chair' member as well as reportedly hand pick DCS to do ALL of the DLC PR work.

    DCS Has register a bogus 'Pro-Gun' sportsmen group in the attempt to make it appear as hunters and trap shooters are in favor of Assault weapon 'bans as well as other anti gun related issues.

    By creating this made up group called The American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA), who will inevitably be used in future Democrat led anti gun campaigns in the near future as so called 'expert' witnesses or a 'sane' voice of sportsmen. just so the anti gun democrats can grandstand for gun control non-issues via their willing accomplishes in the press. I'd imagine the closer we get to the '08' presidential election the more (AHSA) will be in the news.

    Dick Morris , former Clinton PR man has stated numerously how the Democrats and Sen. Hillary have personally created made up Internet based advocacy groups repeatedly in the past to drum up false public support to site at their press conferences and Senate hearings, just so the Democrats will get their names put out in the news. According to Morris, During the Clinton administration there was a brainstorming group under then first lady Hillary's oversight inside the white house who did this kind of fabricated PR all the time.

    So who did DCS make as the head of their bogus gun group, well none other than John Rosenthal, Co founder of Stop Handgun Violence (SHV). SHV has supported every anti-second amendment rights bill since the organizations creation.The personal pet anti gun group of the anti-gun Democrats.

    The following background on all involved was uncovered.

    [1.] The bogus Pro gun group: The American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA) is located at: 600 Pennsylvania Ave SE, suite 200, Washington, District of Columbia 20003 As listed on their website and on their domain name registration.

    Its domain name: http://www.huntersandshooters.com was registered on 25-Apr-05 by Registrant:DCS - Internet Advocacy Group, 600 Pennsylvania Ave SE,suite 200,Washington, District of Columbia

    20003 As listed on DCS website and on their domain name registration.
    DCS website is located here: http://dcscongressional.com/

    [2.] The Democrat leadership council http://www.dlc.org/
    is located at: 600 Pennsylvania Ave SE, suite 400, Washington, District of Columbia 20003 As listed on their website and on their domain name registration.

    [3.] The PR Firm called DCS- Internet Advocacy Group http://dcscongressional.com/
    is located at: 600 Pennsylvania Ave SE, suite 200, Washington, District of Columbia 20003

    [4.] So ALL three groups:The Democrat leadership council (DLC) , DCS - Internet Advocacy Group and The American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA) Are located in the same building and all three groups are pushing to take away your rights via their made up causes for the sake of getting their faces in the news.

    According to Bernstein Management Corp. the Property Managements website: http://www.bernsteinmgmt.com/
    Location: 600 Pennsylvania Avenue, SE Washington, DC,
    Contact Number: (202) 363-6301 Austin Herndon

    Please click through on the main link to get the original source for this.
    posted by John Lott at 3:00 PM
     
  2. Brett Bellmore

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    I've done some searches on "2nd amendment" and "Second amendment" at yahoo this morning. Looks like the AHSA has bought a high ranking in their sponsored results, they come up on every search that mentions that term. So does www.keepandbeararms.com But, suprisingly enough, the NRA doesn't seem to have shelled out for that form of advertising.

    A foolish economy, if you ask me.
     
  3. El Tejon

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    The Left use deceit and trickery to advance the Holy Cause of socialism? :confused:

    I am shocked! :evil:
     
  4. Waitone

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    All to common. Google up "death penalty" or "capital punishment" and you'lll see the same thing. Advocacy groups from the left pay the bucks to get high search results. The opposition takes what it can get.
     
  5. Kingcreek

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    Everybody should take a minute and check out the AHSA website. http://www.huntersandshooters.com/
    This takes deception to another level.
    At least the 3 groups probably have different desks, right? Right?
    (AHSA=American Horse $h_t Association)
    Any suggestions on how to counter this horse poo?
    :fire:
     
  6. stevelyn

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    Looks like the Democanic Party has taken lessons from organized crime syndicates and the CIA, and set up "front companies/organizations" to conceal their real activities/agendas.
     
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    Hey, everyone! I just surfed through the site. Talk about a target rich environment! The safety rules are just exactly what you'd expect if they were written by someone who didn't know doodlie-squat about shooting. Actually, what they have is pretty lame and evidently ill-informed.

    I suggest we make AHSA an ongoing public service project. It will allow us to sharpen our public advocacy skills and provide entertainment at the same time. But wait, there's more. We can also help the DLC and DCS sharpen their aim also by providing helpful suggestions as to how to bait a field in the policy arena. Don't forget to sign up for the emailer.

    This just too good to be true. :D
     
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    This from the AHSA website:
    "The American Hunters and Shooters Association really is what you, the members make it -- how you talk about it in the duck blind, the gun shop, with your neighbors or at work.

    How you help us to improve and respond to your needs is what will make this organization a success. AHSA is, in part, about what you put into it. We want to hear from you, your suggestions, your thoughts and, yes, your constructive criticism."

    so i sent this:

    Since AHSA seems to welcome comments, How about you start by dropping this scam. The DLC/AHSA/DCS alliance certainly does NOT represent me or most shooting or hunting sportsman. I am offended that you would stoop to this kind of deception and will do everything I can to "spread the word" among the true sportsmen and women. To put up this facade for apparent political leverage and further your well-known anti-gun agenda reveals much about the people behind the DLC/AHSA/DCS alliance.


    BTW, the shooting and hunting resources page seems to give nothing but state DNR info.

    Have fun!
     
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    We love guns and you should too, but we reserve the right to take them away. Glad that memorandas have such spaning legal power :rolleyes:
     
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    Umm, yeah, well the Bill of Rights was written to ensure that the rights of the community never trumped the rights of the individual.

    I'm not giving up my rights so Sally Soccermommie can feel safe. Sorry, have a nice day. :)
     
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    Here's what I wrote about them last week on my blog

     
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    Since they claim that "In formulating AHSA legislative policy the AHSA Board of Directors will always weigh the common sense interest of hunters and shooters against basic safety and security interests of our community at large," ...

    Who makes up their board of directors?
     
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    Well maybe they learned the tactic from Mary Rosh! :eek: :D
     
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    Bad idea on their part, having John Rosenthal listed as VP of Shooting Resources. He's made plenty of statements in the past which point to his real goals, and those are certain to be used against them.

     
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    Ask them to add a section describing how to float an AR barrel, since it's one of if not the most popular rifles for national match/service competition.
     
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    Here is the email I sent them

     
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    Countertop,
    :D
    <bows deeply at the waist, backing up and exiting the room>

    If this were a golf forum your post would be a Tiger Wood Drive--"You da Man!"
     
  19. Brett Bellmore

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    This would be a good time to be proactive, send letters to all the various media outlets, calmly informing them of the evidence that the AHSA is nothing but a DLC public relations front.

    They might not like us, but they DO hate being taken in by trickery.

    Oh, and I intend to leave any mention of Lott out of this; I think the bad rap he's gotten isn't entirely deserved, but any suggestion that he's involved in exposing them will be all the excuse they need to shut their eyes and go "la la la la" while you try to present the evidence.
     
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    Does this mean the representatives of the Democratic (sic) party are fibbing again?

    Why, how very surprising!
     
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    Standing Wolf, they're only fibbing when their lips move.
     
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    Here's one of his more inspired statements, regarding over-10-round handguns and rifles with protruding handgrips:

    He's speaking of guns covered by the Feinstein ban. It's hard to imagine cramming more falsehoods and technical errors into two sentences than he does...

    "Weapons of mass destruction." I guess Bush DID find WMD in Iraq, then...and I suppose Hiroshima and Nagasaki were actually leveled by a deranged gunman with a civilian AK-47 lookalike. :scrutiny:

    "...whose only purpose is to kill as many people as possible without having to stop and reload"? Yup. That's why your local police officer carries an over-10-round handgun on her hip, so she can mow down as many people as possible without reloading. That's also why many police officers have AR-15's in patrol-car roof racks, I'm sure... :banghead:

    "Twenty percent of police officers killed in the line of duty are killed with these weapons which are designed to penetrate police body armor from more than 1000 yards." Aside from the fradulent statistic (from the VPC), the "designed to penetrate" factoid is ridiculous. At 1000 yards, an "AK-47" bullet is traveling only 781 ft/s and carries only 166 ft-lb of energy, per my ballistics program. That's less velocity than a .38 special, which can be stopped by a level I vest, never mind a level II or IIIA like most police officers wear. Besides the fact that the maximum effective range of an AK-style rifle in 7.62x39 is around 400 meters at most, and most of these rifles were "designed" before Kevlar was even invented, anyway.

    Did I mention that my Toyota Camry goes 255 mph and gets 150 mpg? I wonder if I could sell these guys the Brooklyn Bridge... :p
     
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    Bill Clinton Must Be Proud...

    ...of Hillary and the Dem Leadership Conference (DLC) ripping off a page from his classic "Political Triangulation" playbook.

    The AHSA's pure-triangulation strategy is to "position" itself as some voice of authority and "common sense" on the whole festering gun issue -- THE issue which has cost them dearly in the past 2 national elections.

    More specifically, they'll aim to position their voice to the right of the Loony-Left Socialists who just want to ban guns... and to the left of all us NRA/GOA "wing-nuts" who (a) actually know something about guns, and (b) take it as an article of faith the the 2A AIN'T about (just) duck-hunting and trap-shooting... but ALSO about Self-Defense AND resistance to tyranny, oppression, and abuse of political power (see Patrick Henry).

    ->> "If someone is so fearful that they're going to start using their weapons (just) to protect their rights... it makes me very nervous!"
    -- Congressman Henry Waxman, D-California (Beverly Hills/Santa Monica)

    ->> "We're going to have to take some things away from you on behalf of the common good."
    -- Senator Hillary Clinton, D-NY, 6/28/04

    This strategy was deployed with some success in the last Virginia governor race, where Democrat Mark Warner cleverly formed a "Sportsmen For Warner" front-outfit. It was pretty transparent to anyone who could tell the difference between a Browning Hi-Power and a brown cow, but it was good enough to peel off a few thousand votes from the suburban-Soccer-Mom/RINO/Moderate/Undecided (i.e., ballistic-illiterate) demographic in swing precints to get him elected.

    So, this new group will try to refine this game and take it national. Expect them to heavily target Ohio and a few swing states like Iowa, Wisconsin, West Virginia, and Virginia. Assuming the polarized '08 Electoral Vote (by states) stays the same as '04, all they have to achieve in '08 is to peel about 65,000 Ohio Republican votes away to the Dems -- and Hillary wins the White House.

    After all, who REALLY needs those Evil Black Rifles/Assault Weapons (which is ANYTHING that's "semi-automatic"... even a can-opener!) just to go deer hunting? I mean, gosh, it's (a) just Common Sense, and (b) For The Children!

    Stock up on those barf bags, folks. We'll all be puking for major-league distance when the American Hunters And Shooters Association cranks up its faxes and megaphones... all with the MainStream Media and Hollywood cheering it on.

    ->> "Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics doesn't take an interest in you."
    -- Pericles, 430 B.C.
     
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    Look for them to do the same with "religion." The Dems think that they lost in 2004 because thay didn't talk the talk of gun owners and Christians. Howard Dean said that they had to learn how to "talk like a southern preacher."

    It's all talk. It's all fake. Those who wish to be fooled will be.
     
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