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Discussion in 'Activism' started by devilc, Oct 21, 2007.

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  1. devilc

    devilc Member

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    I saw this in someone's signature block, which prompted comment from another member. . .
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    'Proud member of the NRA and ACLU. Two organizations every American should be a member of.'
    Retort:
    "So, can you get the ACLU to start acknowledging the 2nd Amendment?"

    YES!
    EXACTLY!
    What if the entire membership of the NRA and GOA suddenly joined the ACLU and began voting and demanding that the ACLU work to preserve THE ENTIRE Bill of Rights?
    Do it. Sign up today and start writing letters.
     
  2. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    I'm afraid I'm missing the activism angle of this. While I appreciate the sentiment, what is the specific plan of attack to get the ACLU see the Second Amendment as an individual right rather than a collective right? Just giving them dues and saying, "I'm now a member, please change your position" doesn't seem like an effective option.

    Have you considered any ways we might be able to shift their view that has a higher chance of success?
     
  3. Cavalier Knight

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    Check my signature

    umm Ok
     
  4. BobMcG

    BobMcG Member

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    Yeah, OK, I'll get right on that. Just as soon as you know what freezes over.
     
  5. Lanyard

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    It's called infiltration.

    I think devilc is right. The ACLU has about 500,000 members while the NRA has 3 million. Everyone knows the ACLU has significant clout among a certain crowd, what better way to expand our political & legal reach than to co-op another organization and help steer the wandering ship. If you think that 250,000 dedicated, dues paying members wouldn't shake up their stance on the 2nd Amendment you are wrong.
     
  6. Citroen

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    Not On Your Life!

    Sorry Guys, but I have an aversion to giving my money to organizations with which I disagree. There are better legal groups to join including some that actively promote the 2nd Amendment.

    In my view, joining the ACLU with the idea of "changing it" would be a lot like joining the atheists and hoping to convert the entire organization. I would rather be with friends than with the enemy and hoping to love them into liking me.

    I do, however, send the ACLU a Christmas Card every year!

    John
    Charlotte, NC
     
  7. TexasRifleman

    TexasRifleman Moderator Emeritus

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    By the way there are state versions of ACLU as well.

    Here in Texas the State ACLU has been active in pro gun causes and done work in conjunction with the Texas State Rifle Association.

    Something to consider anyway. I am a contributor to both groups.
     
  8. jimmyraythomason

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    You gotta be kiddin"!

    Join the Anti Civil Liberties Union? Not even if you paid me!
     
  9. AirForceShooter

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    And after the ACLU we can all join the Brady Bunch.
    Right!!

    AFS
     
  10. ilbob

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    I think some of the state ACLU affiliates are more in touch with reality then the national ACLU.

    The national ACLU only cares about unrestricted abortion and other rights that don't actually exist for the most part.
     
  11. fletcher

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    While this does make sense from an RKBA point of view, the ACLU will not be getting a dime from me as long as they continue to attack the BSA.
     
  12. mljdeckard

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    If the ACLU were actually sincere in its intent, to protect ALL civil liberties, I might consider it.

    As it exists now, apparently you can only work for the ACLU if you are missing your number two finger.
     
  13. Sniper X

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    That sounds logical, but do you think the ACLU is logical in ANY way in theit thinking? I doubt if even 90% pf their members wanted them to stand up for the 2a they wouldn't do it....to liberallly biased in the structure.
     
  14. buzz_knox

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    Didn't the ACLU Board stamp down on dissent not too long ago? It would seem that while local ACLU organizations might be subject to infilitatration, the national org. would insure that no deviation from the party line would be allowed.
     
  15. GTSteve03

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    Please. Why would I want to join an organization trying to protect 9 out of 10 of my Constitutionally-protected rights?

    I have my 2nd Amendment rights and thats all I need! :rolleyes:
     
  16. Ragnar Danneskjold

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    I think the idea that the ACLU is even protecting the other Rights is a joke. The ACLU routinely comes down against freedom of religion and freedom of speech when it happens to be Christian religion or conservative speech. Sorry, the only way I would join the ACLU is if all of the other current members in the whole organization were kicked out somehow. Just like the MSM, and most colleges; the ACLU is just another leftist organization promoting leftist, anti-Christian, anti-conservative "values" and trying to pass it off as "enlightenment". I'll pass on being part of that.
     
  17. Mr. Designer

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    "I am for socialism, disarmament, and, ultimately, for abolishing the state itself... I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal." - Roger Baldwin, founder of the ACLU

    Go ahead and join if you want. Not me.
     
  18. frankcostanza

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    naaht gonna do it, wouldnt be prudent...
     
  19. GTSteve03

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    Who's been dead for 25 years and hasn't lead the ACLU since 1950.
     
  20. Cavalier Knight

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    Everytime they ask you to join go to my site instead & get a NRA membership for someone you know for $10 or $25 either gets a year of membership
     
  21. Mr. Designer

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    Roger Baldwin may be dead but unfortunately his ideology is not.
     
  22. Megistopoda

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    I am a strong supporter of civil liberties....and I think that we all should be.
     
  23. Megistopoda

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    "I am for socialism, disarmament, and, ultimately, for abolishing the state itself... I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal." - Roger Baldwin, founder of the ACLU

    OK, to whomever posted this quote...can we have a source please?
     
  24. amper

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    The real question is, what power does the member ship of the ACLU have to effect policy decisions within the organization? What power does the membership weild over the ACLU Foundation?

    A brief search of the ACLU-NJ web site reveals only this:

    "A statewide Board of Trustees sets policy, raises funds, and provides legal and fiduciary oversight."

    With no indication of exactly who comprises the board.

    I would join the ACLU and donate money, as I agree with the ACLU on every issue where I can find a mission statement, except for that one glaring omission--the Second Amendment. If I had any hope that a mass influx of pro-gun rights members might be able to force a change in the ACLU, I would whole-heartedly advocate it, but I see no evidence that this is necessarily the case.

    I did take away one thing from the ACLU-NJ site, though. A great quote from Mr. Baldwin:

    "No fight for liberty ever stays won."

    I like that quote so much, I'm adding it to my .sig...
     
  25. 6_gunner

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    It's an interesting idea, but I don't think it will work.

    I came across a similar, but opposite idea once (I think it was on a facebook group). They were advocating that antis should join the NRA until they were the majority and then hold a vote to revoke the right to bear arms. Of course, their reasoning was faulty, since a vote of NRA members can't change the Constitution!

    Anyway, this sounds a little too similar. The idea is at least solid, but I for one wouldn't contribute to an anti-gun organization with the hope that I can convert it to a pro-gun organization. I think most pro-gun people would feel the same way.
     
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