Judge says convicted molester can hunt

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Why in the world are y'all not as afraid of government as you are of child molesters?

The right to keep and bear arms is ultimately the last thing standing between you and tyrany. You should tolerate no infringement, for no purpose, no matter how good. Because in the end, you may find that a pedophile going hunting is less distasteful than the chains of slavery.
 
The right to keep and bear arms is ultimately the last thing standing between you and tyranny. You should tolerate no infringement, for no purpose, no matter how good. Because in the end, you may find that a pedophile going hunting is less distasteful than the chains of slavery.
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Amen brother! Preach it.

Why in the world are y'all not as afraid of government as you are of child molesters?
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I think it's because we can put a face on the that kind of monster and the potential victims - our kids. While a tyrannical government is likely, it is also an unknown monster that is bigger than we can comprehend and therefore don't want to think about trying to fight.

LoveMyCountry
 
Well it was a misdemeanor. He's on probation so not a "free" man yet. Why on earth can't he hunt after his probation is over? This also establishes "hunting" as a valid reason for getting rules bent to have a gun.

You should either be totally free to own guns for any reason or not. Current law; Felon=not. Misdemeanor (not "domestic violence", lets not go there) conviction and no longer on probation=yes.
 
The OP says gun. It may be that the gun in question is a muzzle loader, somthing not classified as a firearm by the feds.

I am a bit suspicous of the story since the length of the sentence imposed makes me wonder if he was convicted of a felony, which would make firearms ownership a no-no, hunting or not.
 
Child molestation is a terrible thing and the crime should be punished to the full extent of the law. We do not know the circumstances of this particular case, and like has been said, I have to accept the court's ruling both on punishment and restoration of full hunting rights. This man is not a felon in case you didn't notice. He would have been charged and convicted of a felony count if it was justified based on the evidence.

I'm also a bit hesitant to accept the word of a minor as being completely factual without any other physical evidence.

Have you ever had a child threaten you with calling 911 and making terrible accusations about you? Insolent and insubordinate children do this frequently to their parents and adults who have power over them. This is all because of the lack of discipline that is instilled into our children. Parents and adults set the example even if they don't know it, and the kids do a +1 to it. Success at any price. The end justifies the means. Lie, cheat, steal to achieve the goal.... count the money later. It all starts at home.

Hunting involves ethics and we need more people with ethics and a moral compass to guide their lives. Yes, child molesters need to be punished.
 
The right to keep and bear arms is ultimately the last thing standing between you and tyrany. You should tolerate no infringement, for no purpose, no matter how good. Because in the end, you may find that a pedophile going hunting is less distasteful than the chains of slavery.
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So conviction and probation are meaningless and those still servingtheir
sentences still deserve to retain and use their firearms --no matter their
crime. Pffft....who cares.....in fact why bother enforcing any laws nowadays.
I mean, darn it, it's such an infringement on that "former" meth cooker out
on probation who's still failing his drug tests for anyone to tell him he needs
to submit to any kind of "infringement" on his lifestyle, right? After
all drugs shouldn't be regulated in any way and it's just a lifestyle choice...
and sex, whether it's with adults, kids, or animals, is just a lifestyle choice,
too....darn that government....they shouldn't be regulating anything
since all of us are a law unto ourselves when it comes to stopping
the real enemy among us --goverment tyranny :rolleyes:

Ilbob, I'm not even going to get into the two paragraphs of mythology you
spouted that could have come directly from a False Memory Syndrome
Foundation brochure.

Basically, for you guys, the conviction is irrelevant and how dare anyone
question his "right" to access weapons for hunting.....fine, great, why don't
you ask him to babysit your little girl if you're so sure he's fine. Oh,
wait, now that's entirely different now isn't it. Suddenly the hypocrisy
serves you in a healthy way :neener:
 
Thin Black Line said:
Basically, for you guys, the conviction is irrelevant and how dare anyone
question his "right" to access weapons for hunting.....fine, great, why don't
you ask him to babysit your little girl if you're so sure he's fine. Oh,
wait, now that's entirely different now isn't it. Suddenly the hypocrisy
serves you in a healthy way
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:confused:

How do you go from whether or not a person should have access to a weapon to allowing a sex offender to babysit your little girl? That's the kind of illogical leaps of reason that anti's often make.

Concern over the government's ability to take away a God given right does not mean a lack of concern and outrage over people attacking our children.

LoveMyCountry
 
I do not accept probation with restriction of rights as a legitimate state of incarceration. If we cannot trust you, you should be behind bars. If we can trust you, you should be out of prison with full rights.

The reason is this: Incarceration as a way of restricting a man's rights is severe, obvious, and expensive. To permit the government to restrict the rights of man in a gentle, unobtrusive, and relatively inexpensive manner removes those impediments and permits government to restrict the rights of large numbers of people without outcry and without notice.
 
Furber sentenced Giese to six to 23 months in jail to be followed by three years’ probation. Giese ... was paroled after serving his minimum sentence and is currently serving the remainder of his probation.
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He only served 6 months in prison, something isn't adding up.
 
Sorry no one wants to here this but I hate barring ex-felons from owning firearms.

Either you are a danger and you're locked in prison..

Or you have paid your debt to society and you are a citizen.

This half in half out crap is just begging to be abused.

This is especially true in the times where anything and everything can be a felony if the prosecutor says so.
 
Nine Seven

It's just a slippery slope. Ok First its felons on probation, then Ex-Felons(for life), then misdimeanors (for abuse), next it'll be for non violent hate crimes.

Oh wait! It says here on your NICS report that you said that you don't think that Children should have to go to the mandatory gay rights week!! You are openly speaking out against gays!! You are guilting of being no PC in public! You can't be trusted with a gun!!

LIke I said (and has been said before on this board) Barring people from owning firearms because of past troubles with the law is just bad news...

Remember every one of our founding fathers was a "Violent Felon" in his time..
 
My 2 cents..... People say criminals have rights too... Alright then.... But what about the little girl's right when he killed her after he forced her legs opened and raped her? He just took all her rights aways thus he forfeited his rights IMHO.

The judge's ruling about the guy's right to own a gun for whatever the reason does not concern me at all. What really bothers me is the fact that we as a society and the laws that governs us allows the release of such human garbage. In my opinion all child molesters found guilty should just be executed or rot in prison........
 
It's just a slippery slope. Ok First its felons on probation, then Ex-Felons(for life), then misdimeanors (for abuse), next it'll be for non violent hate crimes.

Oh wait! It says here on your NICS report that you said that you don't think that Children should have to go to the mandatory gay rights week!! You are openly speaking out against gays!! You are guilting of being no PC in public! You can't be trusted with a gun!!

LIke I said (and has been said before on this board) Barring people from owning firearms because of past troubles with the law is just bad news...

Remember every one of our founding fathers was a "Violent Felon" in his time..
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Yep, that's the way it will be ... :(

But then, you had it coming - you shouldn't have parked in the no-parking zone if you want to own firearms :p
 
A sex crime against a child is a violent crime. There are more type of violence than the standard gunshot/knifewound.

This person inflicted mental violence and caused lasting damage to his victim. To say otherwise is misguided.

A non-violent molestation... what was it then, a loving molestation? a gentle molestation?

"Your honor, this man is not a violent criminal, he was a gentle molester. Gentle as a lamb."
 
My 2 cents..... People say criminals have rights too... Alright then.... But what about the little girl's right when he killed her after he forced her legs opened and raped her? He just took all her rights aways thus he forfeited his rights IMHO.

The judge's ruling about the guy's right to own a gun for whatever the reason does not concern me at all. What really bothers me is the fact that we as a society and the laws that governs us allows the release of such human garbage. In my opinion all child molesters found guilty should just be executed or rot in prison........
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on here for a minute. Are we reading the same story and report? Nobody died here; this girl was not raped and murdered in cold blood. You can't run away from the specifics of this story and go on a monstrous tangent and then apply those extremes to the arguments being made by others, that's ridiculous.

If a guy did what you outlined, he should either be put into the system; it's up to society to decide what the correct sentence is (whether it be life, 30 years, the death penalty) and once that sentence is served, that's it, debt repaid.

It seems to me that society wants to have it both ways. They don't want to foot the bill to pay for these inmates, a large percentage of folks don't agree with the death penalty, so the solution is to let them out of prison on lighter sentences than the crime deserves and then simply strip them of their rights while they walk around society. That's just not good policy. If you want people like that to be permanently stripped of their rights, imprison them indefinitely or invoke the death penalty. Trying to have it both ways, as has already been said in this thread, can only lead to bad things...


...like felons, who don't obey the law anyway, hence the prior felonious conduct which makes them felons, being subjected to more laws, which they'll ignore and are thus a danger and should be locked up or deceased instead of out walking round on parole or after release due to good behavior.

...like stupid laws that say that if a person gets hit with a misdemeanor of domestic violence or so-called sex-crimes like we see in this story, he should never be allowed access to firearms.

...like stupid laws in the same vein as PA's Section 302, where a police officer can decide that you need to be committed to a mental hospital, so they cuff you and take you there, where a doctor types up a one page note stating that they're keeping you for observation...which will remove your right to own a firearm in Pennsylvania (despite the fact that the ATF and the Feds have stated that Act 302 has no due process and therefore they will not acknowledge it on the federal level as it is unconstitutional).
 
Originally Posted by NineseveN
and once that sentence is served, that's it, debt repaid.
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The law is the law. I understand what you mean but tell that to the girl and her parent that he fondled.

Originally Posted by Medula Oblongata
Im a LEO who's seen rediculous prosecution for crap like that... But if you are accused, I expect you to submit to hanging without argument...
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This guy is non-violent.
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Was he convicted for touching the little girl?
I love how the law frames it non-violent, violent etc. But OK. That time wasn't "violent" but what about the next time? You know lots of sex offenders are or will be repeat offenders. And that's how it starts touch here and there, after it's a little penetration till he graduates to a full rapist and probably a killer. Would you like somone like that living next to your daughter? I don't think.....
 
Was he convicted for touching the little girl?
I love how the law frames it non-violent, violent etc. But OK. That time wasn't "violent" but what about the next time? You know lots of sex offenders are or will be repeat offenders. And that's how it starts touch here and there, after it's a little penetration till he graduates to a full rapist and probably a killer.
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He pleaded guilty of the crime he was charged with. So you want to put people in jail for crimes that they have not committed and may never commit. How do you know how it starts? Would you prefer a killer living next to you that served his 5 years?
 
And that's how it starts touch here and there, after it's a little penetration till he graduates to a full rapist and probably a killer. Would you like somone like that living next to your daughter? I don't think.....
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:confused: :confused: :confused:

Based on what I did as a kid, I should have been robbing banks by now. I'm falling behind.:evil:

To presume that someone will not learn from the bad choices they have made is just wrong. Have you continued doing worse and worse things?

LoveMyCountry
 
I'm pretty sure that at least one of you are going to commit a felony soon. For the sake of the children, it's only reasonable that we not take that chance. Will you all please report to your jailer by noon tomorrow? Thank you.
 
He was sentenced for over 12 months? that is considered a felony by the Feds, REF: read a 4473 next time you fill one out.

Next, if it was my 14 yr old daughter or son he would not have petitioned to have a fire arm to hunt. leaving it at that.
 
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