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Just curious what you all think.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by fuel664, Nov 1, 2013.

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  1. fuel664

    fuel664 Member

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    NOOB HERE.. ok. so i was bored and looking at custom guns on google. and came across custom nerf guns. so i got to thinking could you safely/legally put a .22lr action/barrel/assembly in a gutted nerf gun? so i went down to walmart and bought a nerf gun and pulled the marlin 795 out and got to work. about 5 hours later i had the .22 perfectly fitted inside the nerf shell. right now im waiting for paint to dry so i haven't shot it yet, BUT, do you think the heat would melt the plastic? and now the nerf stock covers the serial #, is that an issue? ...btw i used engine enamel spray paint for most of it (inside and out)..if that makes a difference. any feed back is appreciated :D
     
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    Yes. All KINDS of good can come from this. :what:

    There's a reason the only toy guns in my house are guns that cannot be mistaken for real guns.
     
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  4. fuel664

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    don't worry all my guns go in the garage (locked), and its ALOT heavier than normal. i put silicon in the butt and handle to even out the weight distribution. and im trying to figure out how to attach pics, give me a min lol
     
  5. frankenstein406

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    Most people chose airsoft guns
     
  6. fuel664

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    Before paint:
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  7. armsmaster270

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    By hiding the action in a nerf gun you have made it a concealed weapon.
     
  8. frankenstein406

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    Can you post pics of it painted? Wonder what it would look.like with the orange stuff cut off. Price?
     
  9. fuel664

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    got the gun on sale for $150 or $175 (i dont remember) a year or two ago. the nerf was $26. 2 tubes of silicone, pine 2x4, and spray paint i already had. and its all taken apart paint drying as of right now but tomorrow ill have it together and hopefully at the range. and as for being concealed weapon, they are legal in alaska without a permit.
     
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  10. fuel664

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    thats basically the paint job im going for minus the silver barrel and with a little red and brass thrown in there
    nerf_retaliator_rifle_custom_by_gavinlimkj-d5n0v1o.jpeg

    but seriously any more info on legality? hate to sound pushy, i just dont want jail time over a technicality.
     
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  11. sixgunner455

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    How could that possibly be construed as a concealed weapon? Especially once you have painted it, it's just a rifle, and still obviously a rifle, in a different chassis/stock than it was before.
     
  12. Eb1

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    If hiding the action makes a rifle a "concealed gun" then an AR-15 would be a concealed gun. Right?
     
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    This is a very cool project, how hard was it? Also, how do you plan to aim with the thing?
     
  14. Deus Machina

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    Since it is still clearly a rifle, as long as all other local laws about length and such at upheld to, I would think it's legal and cosmetic changes only.
    I am not a lawyer.

    You may want to send a letter to the ATF and ask--before finishing. Specify that it is not intended to make it look any less like a weapon or to disguise it as a toy or anything else nonthreatening. It may just be essentially considered as re-purposing a Nerf shell as a replacement stock, and they may not care. Maybe their opinion would come down to whether the original serial number is visible or something. It's tough to tell with them, sometimes.

    My opinion is that prop guns are cool but as props, but that you should be in the clear within limits.
     
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    there was a guy on here that did the same thing using airsoftguns.
     
  16. fuel664

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    el cheapo red dot for now, it has rails on top. pretty easy to do actually. more i drank the easyer it seemed to get :D but i looked at airsoft guns but i cant find any "cool" ones that are cheap. m16/m4 was 111$ when i was at wally world today. i have a mp5 at my house but barrel hole in frame is to far away from trigger for it to line up nicely.

    and i didnt even think about asking atf what there take on it would be. thank you for that
     
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    I don't see why you'd ask permission.

    Just make sure it is obviously a real gun and don't worry about it. If hello kitty AK's and AR's aren't a problem, why would re-purposing a ready-made gun-shaped piece of plastic be a problem?

    I might lose the "Nerf" logo in an obvious way, maybe.

    I also think that what you've donw with that 795 is a bit silly ... ... ...
    ...BUT ...
    ... I'm now pondering a steampunk shell over a Henry levergun. Wood, brass, copper, & leather, lots of extra levers and whatnot to swap out mags and optics, maybe?
    And some kind of silly visible gearing system to extend/retract the stock, maybe steal a rack&pinion assembly from something else and apply lots of copper-colored paint?
    (I hate "steampunk" where the levers and controls don't DO anything)

    I suppose a takedown gun would be ideal for this, the Mrs would stab me in the neck if I did something to her Papoose, and I'm not altering one of the other classics ... but that Ruger 10/22 takedown would be REALLY easy to fit into a shell of some kind, and the AR7 rifles are practically MADE for this kind of dress-up game.

    I'd have to be able to restore the Henry to traditional looks, of course, but swapping the stock for something ridiculous and putting a shell over the action is hardly "making an 'any other weapon' or 'concealed weapon' from the original.
    And covering the serial # isn't even unusual, there are bone stock revolvers from the factory that have the serial# under the grips. I'm pretty sure that's a non-issue if you can reveal the # with normal tools. (it would probably be hard to explain why you'd glues a plate over the serial#, or otherwise permanently obscured it)
    If it makes you feel better to make a cutout for the serial#, go for it, it can't hurt anything.
     
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    Not really something I've studied much, but I wonder if this would qualify as an NFA AOW because it is a disguised firearm.

    Now it looks like a toy rifle which is not a firearm.

    Sort of like a flare pistol (which is not a firearm) which is an AOW when it is used with an ammunition insert that allows it to fire normal firearm ammunition.
     
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    A wallet holster that leaves the slide exposed on your pocket pistol isn't an AOW
    - - this isn't that different

    If I put some tape over the muzzle of my hunting rifle to keep out rain, is it an AOW?
    - - what if I only have orange electrical tape on hand? What if I want to use a contrasting color to make it obvious there's a muzzle cover at a glance?

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    It takes a real magazine, with real ammo
    It has a real barrel sticking conspicuously out the front end
    I could dress up an AR with colored parts and make something very similar
    There is no Mens rea involved (assumption)
     
  20. iLikeOldgunsIlikeNewGuns

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    Looks pretty cool! I see it as no different than swapping out the stock. Like getting the 'p90 kit' for a 10-22
     
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    Well...nothing bad can come of THIS...

    Perchance there is a reason NERF guns look like toys and not real guns, maybe?

    :scrutiny:
     
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    Just looks like another customized rifle to me, no different than all those customized 10/22 rifles out there.
     
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    Okay but why??
     
  24. 45_auto

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    As others have said, it's no different than putting a 10/22 in a ZK-22 stock, a P90 stock, or an MG42 stock. As long as you meet the barrel length and overall length laws, there's nothing that says what a gun must look like.

    http://www.redjacketfirearms.com/in...e=shop.product_details&product_id=67&Itemid=2

    http://www.hightowerarmory.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=HTA9022BLK

    https://robertrtg.com/1022mg42.html

    LMAO. By that logic, every gun that I've ever purchased that came in a box was concealed weapon when I bought it and carried it out of the store. I've never received a gun in the mail as other than a "concealed weapon" (in a box). Does putting a rifle in a case or a pistol in a full-flap holster (hiding the action) make it a concealed weapon?
     
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  25. claiborne

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    "By hiding the action in a nerf gun you have made it a concealed weapon"

    Even if that were so, there are states that still believe in the constitution. The OP happens to live in one. Not an issue in this case.

    Based on all the strange looking "modern" firearms I have seen and all the kits made to modify semi-auto 22 rifles into almost any kind of firearm, I personally do not think you have disguised or concealed this weapon in any way.
     
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