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Put me in the "what's the point" category.
Just curious what you all think.
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Yea the serial number aint like a license plate I wouldnt reckon.
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I'll get flamed for this and I don't mean to be snarky, but what's the point? I'm not one of these guys whose always tinkering with how my guns look so maybe i just don't understand, but this looks like valuable time wasted to me. Maybe I didn't read all of the posts and Im missing it, but is this just a hobby type thing? Boredom? Toy fetish? Just curious.
It just sounds like a bad idea to me, didn't you hear the story told to John McClane in Die Hard by Steve Erkels neighbor?
It just sounds like a bad idea to me, didn't you hear the story told to John McClane in Die Hard by Steve Erkels neighbor?
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What is more dangerous? The real gun that sort of resembles a toy, or the toy that sort of (or very much so) resembles a real gun?
There are plenty of stories about kids getting shot because their toy looked realistic, or some thug robbing a gas station with a realistic looking toy. I might be reading the wrong news, but I keep missing the stories involving real guns that look like toys.
Its not like the OP is putting a gun into a nerf shell, then putting it back into the toy box for kids to play with.
Don't like how it looks? Fine. I can accept that. But as long as he is being responsible with his guns, I fail to see the problem. It actually might be enough to bring a young new shooter into the sport.
I for one have wanted to modify real guns to look like props from Sci Fi movies.
There are plenty of stories about kids getting shot because their toy looked realistic, or some thug robbing a gas station with a realistic looking toy. I might be reading the wrong news, but I keep missing the stories involving real guns that look like toys.
Its not like the OP is putting a gun into a nerf shell, then putting it back into the toy box for kids to play with.
Don't like how it looks? Fine. I can accept that. But as long as he is being responsible with his guns, I fail to see the problem. It actually might be enough to bring a young new shooter into the sport.
I for one have wanted to modify real guns to look like props from Sci Fi movies.
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Yes, but I'm wondering if you did. The cop shot a kid who had a toy gun that looked real.
Toy gun that looks real =/= real gun that looks like a toy.
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For those asking what's the point, the answer is simple, Innovation. This is the thought process that leads to new ideas. If we didn't have curious minds like the OP then we'd still be driving Model Ts. No one needs a Ferrari either, but if that's what you like and as long as you're responsible, then I encourage it. Now the OP hasn't reinvented the wheel or had any super original ideas on this, but it leads down that path.
This is how new stocks, parts and designes are started, by going outside of the norm. Can't own a real Tommy Gun or MG 42? Well this can be the next best thing.
Like I said before, you see some cool stuff like this every now and then over at RFC. My favorite so far has been the Bullpup 10/22. It looked ugly as sin and functioned horrible when he first started, now they look awesome and function wonderfully and the guy making them has a several month back order. Imagine if he got the welcome this site had given him or any innovator for that matter, we wouldn't see some of the products we have today.
Now I understand people being concerned with it looking like a toy and meeting legal requirements. I'm right there with you. But the OP has adressed those issues. Hating on him because it's not your cup of tea, well that's just not the High Road.
So to sum up your question. Why? Innovation and moving forward.
This is how new stocks, parts and designes are started, by going outside of the norm. Can't own a real Tommy Gun or MG 42? Well this can be the next best thing.
Like I said before, you see some cool stuff like this every now and then over at RFC. My favorite so far has been the Bullpup 10/22. It looked ugly as sin and functioned horrible when he first started, now they look awesome and function wonderfully and the guy making them has a several month back order. Imagine if he got the welcome this site had given him or any innovator for that matter, we wouldn't see some of the products we have today.
Now I understand people being concerned with it looking like a toy and meeting legal requirements. I'm right there with you. But the OP has adressed those issues. Hating on him because it's not your cup of tea, well that's just not the High Road.
So to sum up your question. Why? Innovation and moving forward.
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I know people hate the car analogies, but how is this any different than putting an aftermarket Ferrari body kit on a Fiat chassis.
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Several posters including the OP have mentioned removing the Nerf logo.
what is the point? for everyone asking that.. go to google and search "custom painted nerf gun" or some variation of it. and tell me it wouldnt be cool/fun to have a real rifle that looks like one of those. but seriously some people ask "why?" but i say "why not?". anyone ever see that homemade batmobile on the internet? its pretty cool but pointless, yea? or the custom built dune buggys people spend thousands of $ on, just for some fun it the desert. i guess i did it just to satisfy my curiosity, make it look cool, learning experience, have some fun while at the range/camping, to be differnt, or maybe to save some money on a custom stock without spending $100+. i'll let you pick. and trust me i looked hi and low for a cheap scar stryle airsoft but living in alaska limits my stores to walmart, target, and fred myers. NONE of them carried it and online cheapest was 46 + s/h. as for the nerf logo that will be gone soon. and this is my first custom build (for lack of better words) all my other guns are still original. but like i originaly said, any feed back is welcom. if you think there might be a problem go ahead and tell me.
*edit* just for the record, i didn't really want just another m16/m4 or ak47 look alike. like the mustangs in 2005 wih the retro style, first few were amazing but after seeing one on every street, they started to lose the cool factor. and just started to become another car.
*edit* just for the record, i didn't really want just another m16/m4 or ak47 look alike. like the mustangs in 2005 wih the retro style, first few were amazing but after seeing one on every street, they started to lose the cool factor. and just started to become another car.
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for some reason the black was taking unusual amount of time to fully dry, but went through and put some touch up paint on parts i sanded to far down on. in the other pic you see how much interior plastic i had to rip out. and going to hit that logo with some bondo today you can see i tryed to file it down but after 45 min i got tired. and the logo is still there.
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I know but man Ive been waiting a long time to use a Steve Erckel reference!
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In the end you gota do what makes you happy in this life so have at it...
and all the tools i used-
-precision Philips screwdriver
-bondo
-large metal file
-set of micro files (one is still mia)
-and pliers you only need one
- flat head screwdriver or small pry bar. makes it easier but not needed
-(optional drill press) some way to cut a 1'' circle for the barrel to fit through the barrel cover/shroud part.
-sand paper (i used 600 because i have like 3 packs of that stuff, but i would say use 400-600)
-and some kind of paint
trust me the drill press helps A LOT!
the scope attaches right now to the nerf rails but im still waiting for the picatinny rails and 25 rnd mag in the mail.
-precision Philips screwdriver
-bondo
-large metal file
-set of micro files (one is still mia)
-and pliers you only need one
- flat head screwdriver or small pry bar. makes it easier but not needed
-(optional drill press) some way to cut a 1'' circle for the barrel to fit through the barrel cover/shroud part.
-sand paper (i used 600 because i have like 3 packs of that stuff, but i would say use 400-600)
-and some kind of paint
trust me the drill press helps A LOT!
the scope attaches right now to the nerf rails but im still waiting for the picatinny rails and 25 rnd mag in the mail.
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Hi Potato Head,
To an OMB the point begins and ends on whether it can be done not what is going to be done with it afterwards. You can ask a hundred questions on the subject of manufacturing and the sane person will answer "why would you" while the OMB will answer "let's find out."
Can you make a replica M-16 that cycles little water pipe "cartridges" powered by large rifle primers? An OMB will start doodling and figuring at the prospect. Can you make a calliope powered by compressed air out of PVC pipe? Some OMB has done it somewhere. Can you inject kerosene into the exhaust pipe of a pick up truck and use it to fire brush piles? Child's play for an OMB. Will an OMB melt down his niece's favorite aluminum cookware to cast a faceplate for a lathe? Don't get me started!
Asking an OMB the reasoning for constructing the atrocity of the moment is always the same answer as why idiots climb mountains or build nitromethane fueled cars capable of insane speeds. Because they can. Is it sane? Probably not. Is it logical? That's not just a no it's a heck no. But keep in mind there was an OMB long ago and far away named Fulton that is the founding father of the modern ocean liner. Not quite so long ago was another OMB named Edison that literally lit up the world. Then there was the king of OMB's that if allowed in a civilized society should be at the least knighted named Browning.
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Looks like something i would do........er would have done when i was 8 or 10 yrs old!
I honestly can't imagine why an adult would want to do something like that though?
DM
I honestly can't imagine why an adult would want to do something like that though?
DM
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What's in a number?
The serial number thing made not be as big a deal as one might think; at least, here's what happened to me:
I was gifted several handguns by a widowed neighbor whose husband was a judge here in New York State. One of the guns, an H&R "Self-Loading" .32, had an obliterated serial number, that is, it was intentionally ground off from the side of the frame. I know not the history of the weapon or how the judge came into possession of it, but the number was recorded on his pistol permit along with the oher guns that were given to me.
Being the new owner of the gun, which was lawfully transfered to me, I dutifully turned it in to the State Police, half expecting to get into some kind of trouble for possessing a gun with an altered number. Much to my surprise and disbelief, instead of destroying the gun (after all, this is NYS), they disassembled it and found a serial number on the inside, which they verified to be the one on the permit, and returned the gun to me with a letter stating that it was legitimate to own the gun despite the obliterated number.
I'm shocked to this very day, as it is contrary to what I construed to be a serious violation of federal law.
To the OP, I confess to having a negative opinion of your project after reading the first several posts; but eventually came around to appreciating, even admiring, your project. Nice job!
The serial number thing made not be as big a deal as one might think; at least, here's what happened to me:
I was gifted several handguns by a widowed neighbor whose husband was a judge here in New York State. One of the guns, an H&R "Self-Loading" .32, had an obliterated serial number, that is, it was intentionally ground off from the side of the frame. I know not the history of the weapon or how the judge came into possession of it, but the number was recorded on his pistol permit along with the oher guns that were given to me.
Being the new owner of the gun, which was lawfully transfered to me, I dutifully turned it in to the State Police, half expecting to get into some kind of trouble for possessing a gun with an altered number. Much to my surprise and disbelief, instead of destroying the gun (after all, this is NYS), they disassembled it and found a serial number on the inside, which they verified to be the one on the permit, and returned the gun to me with a letter stating that it was legitimate to own the gun despite the obliterated number.
I'm shocked to this very day, as it is contrary to what I construed to be a serious violation of federal law.
To the OP, I confess to having a negative opinion of your project after reading the first several posts; but eventually came around to appreciating, even admiring, your project. Nice job!
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I've been refraining from making a snarky comment about being really bored through an Alaskan winter, myself.DM~ said:
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There's a semiauto copy of a STG-44 on the market. It comes in a wood crate and is HUGE. Ridiculously huge for a little semiauto .22 ... they're selling quite well.
There are dress-up kits for 10/22s in almost anything you can imagine, from sci-fi space guns to realistic replicas of old machine-guns. (hell, I made a fairly realistic M1 Carbine trainer myself, come to think of it!)
One of the kits takes TWO 10/22s, and adds a crank to make a strange coaxial thing, they're often called "gatling guns" but beyond the crank they don't share anything with the classic rotary multi-barrel weapon of old.
And there are REAL Gatling guns in .22lr, they're beautiful creations of brass and fine machining. They are not cheap and I really want one.
For that matter, there's a .22lr replica of an M1 carbine on the market, those are selling well also (mine is nicer, but the controls are more realistic on the Citadel version - I just don't like the materials)
I stole this next picture from Amazon - that's a Marlin model 60 in there.
Bullpup marlin model 60 - a tube-fed rimfire rifle. Makes no real sense, but they sell!
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I don't know if "why" is really relevant here.
"Why" do people agonize over mechanical accuracy via twist rate and bullet weight for a gun they shoot twice a year at 20 yards?
"Why" do people swap out all the MIM parts in a functional gun for theoretically "better" parts, when they've never worn out a part?
"Why" do people have bear-defense handguns when they haven't been out in the woods for a decade?
"Why?"
... "because that's what seemed amusing at the time" is a good enough answer.
Also acceptable: "I didn't ask your permission", or "I don't have to justify it to anybody".
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OP,
Any update?
Any update?
well update. i tried going to the base range yesterday but there was a unit out there for training, and i didnt want to pay 20$ for a day pass when id only be there for 30 min at the public range. then today i went out to base range and they were closed. even though i talked to the range master and he said everyday 1000-1600 it will be open unless a unit is out there training. so i sucked it up and went to public range.
i only had 70 rounds of cci and 25 rounds of Winchester 22 HV that is literally about 5 years old been left outside in -20 weather and left in the rain and snow been dropped in puddles and on numerous camping trips. the marlin HATED the cci stuff i had to cycle the bolt for every round. so i got irritated and tried the Winchester and it was great until about the 20th round and then one case broke.
i wasnt really trying to aim just kinda shooting fast to heat the barrel up to see if it would melt the plastic, it did not melt it. and i was doing about 4-5" groups at 30 yrds
i only had 70 rounds of cci and 25 rounds of Winchester 22 HV that is literally about 5 years old been left outside in -20 weather and left in the rain and snow been dropped in puddles and on numerous camping trips. the marlin HATED the cci stuff i had to cycle the bolt for every round. so i got irritated and tried the Winchester and it was great until about the 20th round and then one case broke.
i wasnt really trying to aim just kinda shooting fast to heat the barrel up to see if it would melt the plastic, it did not melt it. and i was doing about 4-5" groups at 30 yrds- Status
