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just got my Sub 2000

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  1. sequins

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    Howdy folks,

    I just picked up a Sub 2000!

    I've been curious about these for a long time and I finally got one ordered. I picked it up this morning and had the chance to go give it a good shoot. It came with just one 17rd pmag, not even an OEM Glock mag, but luckily for me I have a heap of OEM 17 rounders I was able to put to good use down at the range.

    The folding feature is just as smooth and simple as it looks in the videos, it's soooo cool to flip it and pop the bolt in one fluid motion.

    It's a heckuva carbine, and I was actually pleasantly surprised by the accuracy. It was dead on the factory irons. I fired my hand loaded 5.2gn CFE Pistol under 124gn FMJ projectiles and got through a hundred of 'em with no malfunction and excellent accuracy. The trigger is a little firm at 9-10lb from the factory and my model feeling as though it's every bit of that. I felt the stock was a little uncomfortable and pretty hard on the shoulder consider it's just a 9mm, and the bare buffer tube cheek weld wasn't particularly comfortable either, but it wasn't that bad and the thing shoots quite well so all in all I'm quite pleased.

    It's also pretty nice nice to be able to share mags between a Glock 26, 17, 34, Ruger PCC, and now this Kel Tec Sub 2000. Quite a few pigs eating out of the same trough!

    Here's a few pictures (the pistols are LCP & G26)

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  2. Walkalong

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    They are a lot of fun, the kids shot this one a lot when they were young, and it still gets to the range once in awhile. I like the new look, mine is around 20 years old. The plastic mag catch (S&W 59 series) wore out and they sent me a steel one. It's still going strong. They offered to do it for me.
     

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  3. Gary Gill

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    I bought the Gen 2 Glock version this summer. I use Magpul and Glock magazines with equal success.
     
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    Been thinkin about one of these for awhile, may hafta take the plunge soon......
     
  5. Lucky Derby

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    I like mine. It came with a 10rd OEM G17 Mag. I would rather have a 17rd Pmag.
    M Carbo has lots of accessories for it, including a but pad and a cheek pad to cure the issues you mentioned.

    Enjoy
     
  6. Speedo66

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    The Glock 33 round factory mag also fits.

    www.tacticoolproducts.com also makes some accessories, including a cover for the bolt tube to aid in cheek weld, recoil, and temp. They also make a recoil buffer. Their prices include free shipping.

    Good luck with it!
     
  7. Balrog

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    I had one of the originals for a while. It was not 100% reliable and I eventually traded it. It seems like it would be neat to have one stuffed in a bug out bag, but beyond that, there is not much practical use for it.
     
  8. entropy

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    I had one some years back, S&W mag grip. I bought it as a (Cannot use the four word acronym) gun, but against the manual's warning, I shot steel cased ammo through it, and had several kabooms with it. It fired factory brass ammo just fine, and was accurate, but wasn't feasable for the purpose, so I traded it. I gave the extra mags I accumulated for it to my BIL, who has a Camp Carbine.
     
  9. sequins

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    Now that I've tested mine out I'm using it as an EDC in my backpack that I use for my commute, along with my laptop and all the other stuff. It fits extremely well. Closest parallel I can think of is my SR-556 takedown which gets to be the same size but which takes a lot longer to get back into shooting condition (and you have to store each part in a separate compartment or else they bang together, the SUB-2000 just drops in the bag)

    I also think subsonic 147gn 9mm compares favorably to 200gn subsonic 300 blackout at distances of 50 meters or less. Yeah the 300 blackout is "better", but it's mostly better in terms of KE. 147gn JHP expand better than anything except lehigh novelty ammo of dubious expansion reliability. Assuming you have a non-expanding 300 blackout round the 9mm is superior diameter. Also, better penetration characteristics in drywall and other urban settings.

    I think an SBR 300 blackout is still probably in my future but the SUB-2000 achieved my goals for $500 today, the SBR 300 is like 2k to get in the door and then I have to figure out which ammo works using gel tests I do myself because nothing is proven. Like I said, someday, but I wanted a gun now for this application.
     
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  10. Lucky Derby

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    Besides being fun, they do fill a role that few other guns do as well.
     
  11. Elkins45

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    I have the 40 caliber version. As a lefty I find that I prefer to shoot it 'gangster style' so that the ejection port is away from my face. Otherwise I end up with a facefull of powder residue, even with glasses. I installed a red dot at a 45º angle so it would still fold but I would have something to aim with.
     
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  12. sequins

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    How do you like the angled red dot? I was thinking about that but figured theres no way it works very well
     
  13. Speedo66

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    The one thing I disliked about my first gen model was the cheesy plastic front sight. I substituted an AK style front sight off a Hi-Point carbine and it works perfectly. Also looks much better, in my estimation.

    The interior of the Hi-Point sight has to be opened up slightly, then it's a perfect addition to the S2K.

    I'll add some photos later.
     
  14. Elkins45

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    I’m not generally a red dot guy but in this application it’s super. I mounted an M lok rail section on the left side and then mounted the red dot on a 45° angled base. The sight is upright when the rifle is held at 45° so I don’t have to do a true ‘gangsta’ hold. The sight is a Bushnell TRS25 and it seems fine for this purpose. I’ll post a photo if I can remember to pull it out of the safe.

    You mentioned something about 2K being the entry level for an SBR in 300 Blackout but I don’t understand your math. You can get a very good lower with an upgraded trigger for $300, and $700 buys you a very nice barreled upper with a quality barrel. Add $200 for the Form 1 and that’s $1200 total. If you already have a donor AR then all you need is the tax stamp and a new barrel. That’s less than $600 even if you buy a Noveske or Wilson barrel.
     
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  15. sequins

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    I'm counting the can in the 300 price- I don't think I'd run one bare and if I'm already filling out paperwork might as well do both (setting up all the NFA stuff is such a hurdle that once I clear it I'm getting all the NFA stuff I want at once). Im also counting the reloading setup cost. I guess i just view the bar on the SBR 300 as quite a bit higher than the bar for the SUB, and partly because I'm already fully equipped for 9mm glock mag shooters.

    If I had 0 equipment it would be more of a toss up but I'm in deep on 9mm already, glock mags, etc.
     
  16. Speedo66

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    Here’s the photos. Sight is adj. vertically with a screw on the back. Requires removal of plastic collar from front of barrel, held on with two set screws on bottom. Personally, I like the look.
     
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  17. mgmorden

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    Congrats! I really like these too and have been seriously considering either this or the newer Ruger PCC (with the pistol grip stock) for my next carbine. Already got a 9mm AR build but variety is the spice of life :D.
     
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    Ever since I found out they make a CZ mag kit for the multi-mag version, it's been on my "maybe someday" list. I don't have a specific use for one which is why I haven't bought one yet, but it's such a nifty and handy design and being able to use my CZ mags would be awesome. I've just had a niche to fill with all my recent purchases so it's been pushed to the back of the line.
     
  19. armedwalleye

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    As a diehard 59xx series Smith guy, and with the S2K's in Gen 1 almost unobtainum, When i saw the Gen 2 multimags come out, I had to get one, and promptly ordered the 59 series mag catch for it. Nice when the truck handgun and the truck carbine share mags. Picked up a couple 33 round Pro-mags (yeah, I know) and i cycled through about 5 before I found 3 that worked reliably for me in both the pistol and the carbine.
    Still may drill out the rear sight, that peep is awful hard to find. I have a red dot on a 45 offset mount, but thinking about changing it out for a red/green laser under the barrel instead.
     
  20. Speedo66

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    If you like Rugers, wait a while. Maybe Ruger will purloin this design also from Kel-Tec.
     
  21. EMT40SW

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    Get some 27 round PMAG stick magazine they are like $18 on Botach.com for me they have been reliable.
     
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