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Just got offered a Colt Combat Commander...

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Felonious Monk, Jan 14, 2005.

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  1. Felonious Monk

    Felonious Monk Member

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    A friend's father is very sick.

    She just told me he has a Colt Combat Commander and would like me to help him sell it. It hasn't been shot in years.

    I looked on Gunbroker, and they're all over the map, from $300 to $1,895.

    Anyone know what a fair price would be for this pistol?

    edit: Called him, and he said it's blued, all original, ser # 70BS368xx.
    No box, one original mag.
     
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  2. BryanP

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    Can you post some pictures, or at least a serial # range and description? That might help.
     
  3. Felonious Monk

    Felonious Monk Member

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    Thanks Brian! I've edited in the info into my original post...please let me know what you all think!

    FM
     
  4. Felonious Monk

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    Oh, and sights are standard--no nites or big dots etc...
    Anybody? Gimme some kind of ballpark to work with?
     
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    I've seen 'em from $450 to $600, depending on condition (presuming that it's a 45ACP). The 9mm version tends to go for a bit less.
     
  6. Kenneth Lew

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    What is the condition of the gun?

    People down here go crazy for 70 series guns here especially if it is LNIB. No box and an unknown condition would set the gun to sell quick would be $450 to $550.00 range. If the gun is in .38 super/9mm and in very excellent condition, I know of a person that collects those.

    Email me @ k100355@swbell.net.

    Thanks.

    Kenneth Lew
     
  7. Siggyboy

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    You don't give much info on the pistol or its condition. I bought a used series 80 Mk IV Colt Combat Commander that had some nice but minor documented custom work done to it for about $650 a few yrs ago. It was in excellent condition. Without knowing more about the pistol in question I would guess it might be worth about $500, maybe more.
     
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    FWIW..i just paid 450 for a series 80 combat commander...a series 70 500 -550 matbe ,if its at least 90%
     
  9. countertop

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    I looked at a late 70s Colt Combat Commander today that was on consignment for $725 (and had been for some time). I am thinking of offering $650 for it and got the impression while talking to the folks selling it that that would be a very reasonable offer.
     
  10. Old Fuff

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    It was made in 1975 - at a time before Colt changed to making parts by metal injected molding (MIM) and other production short-cuts. The sights should be of the old USGI style with no dots or inserts. I would think that in the stated condition it should be worth at least $500.00 and probably a lot more. It's a lot more gun then the current crop of USGI copies from Springer and others.
     
  11. BluesBear

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    In the Seattle area I have seen pre Series 80, Colt Combat Commanders priced anywhere from $450 to $700 depending on condition.
     
  12. Ala Dan

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    Greeting's All-

    In unknown condition, a pre-owned series 70 Colt Combat Commander
    should start out at no more than $475 sight unseen! If perhaps its in
    LNIB condition, the value could be much higher provided the caliber
    is .45 ACP. Satin Colt Combat Commanders were much more scarce.

    Best Wishes,
    Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
     
  13. sgb

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    First Colt never made a Series 70 Commander :banghead: or LW Commander or Combat Commander. :banghead:

    The Series 70 governments incorperated a Collet bushing and new Barrel design that was never introduced into the Commander line.

    As for Value in average condition it should go for $500 - $550. :evil:
     
  14. Old Fuff

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    Bicker .... Bicker .... Bicker. :neener:

    O.K. we can call it a "pre Series 80" then. :D

    What ever you call it, anyone who buys it will get a lot more quality then we see on the new-gun market today for anything near what this one will probably sell for.
     
  15. WhoKnowsWho

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    I wish people knew that around here at the shows, I normally don't see them below $600. :cuss:
     
  16. Ala Dan

    Ala Dan Member in memoriam

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    I had an all steel Colt Combat Commander around 1973 or so,
    with a serial prefix begining 70BS XXXX therefore I
    would classify it as a 70 series model.

    Best Wishes,
    Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
     
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    About 5 yrs. ago paid $600 for a 9mm Govt. Model MK IV, Series 70 with small roll marks made in 1980 {70L18XXX}.

    2-3 yrs. ago an all steel 9mm Commander made in 1977 {70BS55XXX} with Novak nite-sights, Brown Beavertail & Videcki trigger, etc. for $600. As far as can tell the 9mm's command a slightly higer price than .45 due to numbers made.

    Says "Commander Model" on the slide. The Govt. Mod. had the collet bushing while the Comm. had a blue solid bushing.

    Both have fitted EGW bushings now {not "angle-bore"} on the original Colt barrles. Them Colt barrels are very, very accurate even with own generic handloads using good plated bullets! :)
     
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    Having a serial number prefex of 70BS does NOT make it a Series 70 Pistol.
    Just as NOT having a firing pin interlock does NOT make one a Series 70 Pistol.

    THE single biggest defining factor of the Colt MkIV Series 70 pistol was the Fingered Barrel Bushing in conjunction with the stepped muzzle barrel.

    THE single biggest defining factor of the Colt MkIV Series 80 pistols is the firing pin interlock safety.

    Since there were NO Colt Commander pistols ever produced with a fingered bushing and stepped barrel therefor there were NO Colt Series 70 Commanders.

    Plus the simple fact that Colt NEVER referred to any Commander as Series 70 but they DO however refer to some as Series 80.

    Now I acknowledge the fact that Colt chose to reissue is Government Model and Gold Cup Model, both without fingered bushings and stepped barrels, and call it a Series 70 pistol is a tad bit confusing. However notice that Colt has NOT produced ANY model of Commander or Officers ACP and deemed them to be Series 70 pistols.

    Therefore there ain't no such thing as a Series 70 Commander or Officers ACP.

    To be accurate the non-Series 80 Commander Models should be called Series 40 and non-Series 80 Government Models should be called Series 10. :neener:
     
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    Thanks BluesBear

    Thats a really helpful post!!

    I've been looking at a Colt Commander as well. I would really like to get a Colt 1911 - and have come across 2 pre 80s model Commanders that I would consider purchasing (most of the full size ones I've seen are in bad shape and I don't want to really buy a new one and support today's Colt Management - even though they are making some awfully nice looking guns - if you can find them).

    Anyway, does anyone have an opinion on how these shoot. The shorter barrel concerns me with such a powerful cartridge. How is the recoil? How much has accuracy suffered as a result?
     
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    I own a Blue Colt Combat Commander that I purchased NIB in 1976, Serial # 70BS313xx. According to the book "Colt's, Dates of Manufacture" by R.L. Wilson, page 41, Serial #'s 70BS26001 - 70BS37900 were manufactured in 1975. Accordingly your Combat Commander was made in 1975 as was mine! Mine has less than 100 rounds through it and is 98%+. I have been offered $800 for mine but it is not for sale! I gave $299 for it NIB 29 years ago!

    The 2001 "Blue Book of Gun Values", Twenty-Second Edition, by S.P. Fjestad, page 419, lists these as "Series 70 Combat Commander" with the following values:

    100% / $875; 98% / $725; 95% / $625; 90% / $525; 80% / $450;

    70% / $375; 60% / $300. There is a footnote that says add 10% for NIB!

    Keep in mind these values are 4 years old and will be somewhat higher now! :scrutiny:

    I hope this information helps! :)

    Gary
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  21. Ala Dan

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    According to the 25th edition of Gun Trader's Guide the all steel
    Colt Combat Commander was made from 1950-1976; and in excellent
    condition carries a value of $575*.

    Also, the Colt Lightweight Commander started with serial prefix CLW
    for Colt Light Weight.

    * FootNote- price to be used as a starting point.

    Best Wishes,
    Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
     
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    Although it is true about the bushing and stepped bbl, I would argue the single biggest defining factor is the FREAKING HUGE rollmarks that say "SERIES 70" on the slide. ;) :D
     
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    While the Lightweight Colt Commander which was simply called the Commander was introduced for 1950, it was almost 20 years before the all steel Combat Commander appeared.
     
  24. Felonious Monk

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    She brought it by the house last night and asked me to get a fair price for it...
    it is BEAUTIFUL!
    Looks like it's never been fired...(edit to say: at least not much)

    Do you guys think $650 is too much? Would that be a good starting point, or am I going too low?

    I can post pics here in a day or so...
     
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  25. Snake Eyes

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    Why don't you just agree to take $600 for it, and then send me a pm with an address for me to send a money order, and another address for me to send the ffl.

    That way you're done with it and don't have to screw around!

    Really. Do it now.

    Peter
     
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