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Just how innacurate is your Mosin 91/30?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by jon86, Jan 25, 2012.

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  1. jon86

    jon86 Member

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    I keep reading about the terrible accuracy of the mosin nagant. Just how accurate is yours? Can you hit a paper plate out to 200 yards? 300?

    Just thinking out loud here, the 91/30 is one of the cheapest rifles out there. Millions of people own them. I'm willing to bet that a lot of people that own them cannot shoot very well anyway.

    So, to the experts and marksman here at THR, I thought I'd ask what kind of groups are possible with the average 91/30. The reason I'm curious is because I might be interested in picking one up to use as an inexpensive paper puncher. The rifle is cheap, the ammo is cheap, but if I can't hit anything with it then it's no good to me. Thanks in advance.
     
  2. 7.62x51NATO

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    Should hold 3-5 moa depending on what ammo, some surplus is better than others, but I don't shoot the surplus stuff anyway. However, that's just an estimate, I'm sure there are many examples that shoot better than 3-5 moa with surplus and iron sights, paper plates at 200 should be no problem, 300 you can probably do it, again this is a guess, I've only shot my mosin at 300 with a scope and handloads so...just my .02$
     
  3. nathan

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    Depends on how tight the bore is. They can achieve 2 inch groups at 100 yds no doubt if bore is tight and with the right conditions. And most important the shooter and ammo - barrel harmonics.
     
  4. snakeman

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    I only shot mine a few times so far but it put 5 shots into about an inch at 60 yards. Don't know if that helps but I just haven't been able to shoot much at all lately.
     
  5. Cal-gun Fan

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    Their accuracy isn't terrible at all and can easily be made better by things like corking the barrel and polishing the trigger. However, a lot of owners don't bother to do that and just rant about them.
     
  6. Tempest 455

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    Depends on rifle. Some of mine are better than others. My M44 is really accurate. My father in-law got one from AIM recently that I swear was never issued. All we did was lengthen the front sight post and it was very accurate at 100Y.
     
  7. holdencm9

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    Not as inaccurate as me!
     
  8. IROCZ

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    On mine (3) it depends heavily on the ammo. Milsurp Ruskie is disappointing but S&B makes nice little 2-3 inch groups at 100 yards if I do my part, and use a good rest...
     
  9. Onmilo

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    I have found mine to be comparable to other military rifle designs from the era.
     
  10. armoredman

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    I don't have a Mosin any more, but I did have a 1920 Tula that shot MOA easily with handloads. Miss that old warhorse.
     
  11. cleardiddion

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    Haters are gonna hate.

    Mine used to shoot right around in the 2.5 to 3in range.
    But, I put some slices of cork under the barrel and found ammo that my 91/30 likes (Bulgarian light ball) and now I get 1.5-2in on a fairly regular basis. We once went out and shot mine at 895m just to see if we could and we managed to an appx. man-sized rock at that distance on a fairly regular basis.
     
  12. Craigman

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    I dont shoot for groups with mine (91/30). Too many ammo variables, and I have other guns for that purpose. When I did have good ammo though, I could hit a 6" steel plate almost every time at 200yds and over half at 300 and 1 in 5 or so at 400. This was all freehand and others that were shooting it too, novices, were pretty much in the ballpark of same accuracy. I dont remember what ammo it was now:banghead:

    I think they shoot just fine
     
  13. wmcc75

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    mine shoots just fine around 3in groups at 100yrds with surplus ammo. most of the time the rifle shoots better than I do :uhoh:
     
  14. Phaethon

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    I agree, for many people Mosins represent their only, or first high calibre rifle platform. They're an un-ergonomic rifle, optimized for Soviet infantrymen wearing thick winter clothing, and don't have the most precise sights. I expect that many people complaining of their accuracy aren't shooting that well to begin with. They also typically shoot inexpensive surplus ammunition that's at least 30-40 years old (this is, after all, another selling point for the rifle).

    I fall under the category of an inexperienced shooter myself; with that said, my 1943 rough wartime production Tula can produce three to four inch groups at a hundred yards when I shoot some PPU ammo. This is about on par with what I can achieve with a 1939 VZ-24 at a hundred yards, so I'm inclined to believe that Mosins are reasonably well manufactured rifles, since I know my Mauser is capable of better.
     
  15. Steel Horse Rider

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    I don't shoot paper with mine but I can hit a 12" dia gong at 300yds about 75% of the time and a 24"x 30" steel plate at 580 yds about 50% of the time using the original sights shooting from a table rest. It is just plain fun!
     
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    worst group ive gotten was 6"s from some surplus ammo i dont even remember the name of. I never bought it again, even if it was 1/2 the cost of my handloads. With handloads, Prvi, and Igman, Worst group ive gotten was 1.5"s at 100 scoped, unscoped im lucky to hold 4"s. I can hit a bowling pin every shot from any supported position, besides standing, at 250.
     
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    Mines more accurate than I am. Just saying.
     
  18. jpwilly

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    Here's my 91/30 at 100 yrds with surplus from sandbags this is better than the M44 and M38 I own by a inch or two with the same ammo. This type of group indicates loose fittings or a stock bedding issue IMO. The rifle could probably shoot better if I fixed it:

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    I have an EX PU M91/30 and also just picked up a Finnish M39 mfg by SAKO last week that I have yet to shoot...hopeing to do better we'll see.

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  19. SlowFuse

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    I have one Mosin that I guess I got lucky with. It holds a 1.5" group all day at 100 with Czech silver tips. Others are more like 2.5" to 3"
     
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    Haven't shot mine for group, but it shoots minute of soda can at 100 yards from a bench. Smoothed the trigger a bit but otherwise original. I may pick up another one just because..........;)
     
  21. ball3006

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    I have several scout scoped rifles that will shoot one inch or better with Privi 150 gr sp......Old eyes make me use a scope....chris3
     
  22. Ian Johnson

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    i had one that i really liked that I traded off to a friend and we could easily hit coke cans with it out to 60yards off hand and milk jugs offhand at 100 was very easy but it shot high even at 100, never put it on paper though, regretted trading it so much that I picked up another one from cabelas last week havent shot it yet though
     
  23. fatcat4620

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    Sewer pipe bore+ bad shot+ new gun owner= very bad press on internet
    Great bore+ great shot+ avid gun owner= good groups but this person does not care to post it on the internet since he his busy handloading his 30.06 springfield to shoot sub one inch groups.
     
  24. jpwilly

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    That is better than the average Mosin for sure and would agree 2.5-4 MOA seems par for the course. The thing is the triggers are lousy, the sights aren't that good, the ammo is very old, the stocks are soft and worn in the bedding areas. We should jump for joy that they will even group that well.
     
  25. 35 Whelen

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    I'd REALLY like to see pictures of the targets with 100 yd., 1.5" groups from a Mosin and surplus ammo. It might happen once, but I doubt over and over.

    I've owned, modified, loaded for and fired quite a few of these. They all seem to possess about the same level of accuracy with none of them being terrible, and some standing out a little.
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    I finally got tired of trying to get shells in the magazine, manipulate the mini-bolt handle, etc. and sold all of mine. I just couldn't find a practical use for them, even the one I heavily modified. But, they are kind of fun to plink with!

    35W
     
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