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Just installed night sights - hard to aquire front sight in daylight

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  1. MacGuyver77

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    As the title of the thread says, I just had Trijicon night sights (green front, yellow rear) on by PX4. I shot it at the range today for the first time and immediately notice how much harder it is to find the front sight compared to the original white 3 dots that it came with. Does anyone else find that these are harder to shoot in the light than traditional sights? I know their value shines (pardon the pun) in low/no light conditions. Is there anything that can be done to make the front sight stand out more in the light?

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    Bill.
     
  2. JellyJar

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    I have a Springfield EMP with tritium night sights. I was shooting it the other day and I also had problems seeing the front sight. I am not sure what to do either.

    I have shot it before and never noticed the problem. This time the sun was in front of me so perhaps if the sun had been behind or to the side I would not have had any problem.
     
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    One reason I like Mepro Tru Dots is because they have the tritium vial set in a white tube that is as visible as a normal dot sight in daylight.
     
  4. MacGuyver77

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    The Trijicons have white rings around the vial, about 1mm in thickness, but they wash out when taking aim.
     
  5. TXHORNS

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    You can try an XS Big Dot front site or carefully make the white rings around the vial larger with some model paint. The Big Dots are awesome, Im surprised more people dont know about them.
     
  6. 9mmepiphany

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    you should be looking for the front blade, rather than the dot on your front sight. that's one of the downside to 3-dot sights...people look for them.

    if there is enough light you should be using the sight blades. when there isn't, the night sights should show up.

    if you just need something to catch your eye on the front sight...try some bright nail polish
     
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    we know about them, they're just not an improvement...you're trading speed for accuracy and you're not gaining much speed.

    if you're willing to devote time and ammo to learning to shoot XS sight, you can get pretty good with them...but that same amount of time and ammo would make you a much better shot with sights using a conventional rear notch
     
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    9mm is right, but you CAN see them better in the daytime as opposed to Trijicons, even though I dont have trouble with my Trijicons. I only use them on one gun and its a Smith Airweight. They are for defense, not target shooting.
     
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    Not sure it's a good idea, but a buddy of mine used to carefully smoke the front sight for daylight shooting. Then clean the soot off with Hoppe's #9 or whatever cleaner was available. It never seemed to harm the sight but I have no idea about long term effects.
     
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    i have to admit that on a J-frame they make alot of sense...the silver blade on a stainless gun is just tough to see.

    i don't have a problem with the XS front sight, that rear sight is just the wrong application from the original concept...on a rifle
     
  11. Mike J

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    I don't have any personal experience with them ( I have meprolights on 2 of my guns) but Truglo makes a TFO (Tritium Fiber Optic) sight. You can have the tritium for night-fiber optic for day. The biggest down side I have seen posted is they are more fragile than regular tritium sights. I haven't had any problem with my meprolights.
     
  12. Shawn Dodson

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    I'm fast AND accurate with the XS Big Dot 24/7 tritium night sights on my Glock 19.

    Gun trainer Andy Stanford described the XS Big Dot as like having a golf ball for a front sight. I agree. It's very fast to acquire.

    They're also very accurate. Just follow the XS sight picture instructions and you'll have no problem with accuracy.

    3-dot sights are visually "too busy" IMHO. I have Trijicons on my old Star Firestar and MMC PT multi-color tritium sights on my former patrol sidearm (Beretta 96FS) and I prefer the XS Big Dot 24/7 tritium night sights hands down.

    What can be done to make your front sight stand out in light? Replace your sights with XS Big Dot 24/7 tritium night sights.

    Good luck!
     
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    I never had a problem with Trijicons, but I'm about to replace the Meprolights on my Kimber with a Big Dot. They are PLENTY accurate for a combat handgun.
     
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    You aren't alone.

    My father has the Trijicons on his Kahr K9, and I flat don't like them in daytime shooting. As 9mm indicated, you have to focus on the front blade, which is something I've always had a hard time doing with 3-dot sights in general. In total darkness, they are nice, but my house and the places I spend most of my time are all pretty well lit by street lights, etc, so I've never felt a need for night sights. YMMV though.

    But as I said, I've never much cared for 3-dot sights anyway. I have them on my 1911, and I can make them work, but they just aren't my favorite.

    These days, a majority of people don't like them, but I've always preferred that prominant, tall front blade on most revolvers for this very reason. That big blade is very easy for me to see during the entire recoil process. Alternatively, if focusing on the target and simply looking over the sights, that big blade again works well for me.

    On my 642 I paint the top of the blade with a bit of gold. I haven't tried orange or red yet, but I might sometime. Still not as nice as the sight picture I get with my 4" Model 15, but it does help.
     
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    You guys do realize you can paint your front sights, right?
     
  16. glockgod

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    I've got a set on a Glock 19-love 'em. The tritium/fiber optic tubes are actually well protected IMHO. My sister used this setup last weekend when she attended an NRA Basic Pistol class. She shot so well I gave her the 19.
     
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    YES!!!

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    It really doenst matter what kind of sight you use, it isnt even just a handgun issue, if your outdoors, at some point, the sun will be an issue, and can (actually its a "will at some point") cause problems seeing and/or using your sights, as well as other effects on bullet impact due to it. Its not just being able to see the sights, but also how the sun (or the varying degrees of lack of it) can make your sights "look", even when they appear to be perfectly clear and visible, and well lit.


    Another issue here is, EVERYTHING is a compromise, you have to pick the one that will most likely suit YOUR needs the best.

    I'm one of those people, have been since they first showed up. I'm so used to looking for the dots, that I actually have to shift focus to get a traditional sight picture. I see and act on the dots first. For me, there has been nothing faster that works as well, with less or no thought, at all reasonable ranges.

    I well understand the traditional blade type sight picture, and use it when its appropriate, for specific types of shooting. I also understand the thoughts behind the big dots and some of the others too. I've tried a lot of them myself, always looking for that little extra. But for me, nothing has worked as well, across the whole spectrum of probable possibilities, as the lit three dots. Are they perfect, of course not, and neither are any of the others.

    The key thing is, choose the best compromise, and what works best in the "most" situations. That, and shooting in as many of them as possible in practice, so you know where there may be weak spots and you wont be surprised when they may occur.
     
  19. Hardheadedsob

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    Night sites

    I was thinking about getting night sites for my glock 17 I was looking for the pros and cons of having them I would like it if I could have some of your opions about it
     
  20. Lonestar49

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    Hey Bill,

    Here's something you can try and if it works, you've solved your problem and if it doesn't, you can wipe it off.

    Buy some BIC white out (for typing mistakes) as they even have a perfect applicator brush, and carefully brush the sights front edges around the Trijicon white-dot and the top over it..

    I did this with my EMP 1911's front night sight and it made a huge difference and it, from the BiC white out, has stayed on for over 6 months now, going in and out its holster, as well.

    Just be careful when wiping your gun not to wipe the front sight


    Ls
     
  21. mljdeckard

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    And Bob,

    The majority of defensive shootings occur in low-light conditions. FOR ME, night sights are the only thing I absolutely insist on for every gun I carry.
     
  22. Red Rover

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    I laugh a little at how much time we, myself included, debate sights for our tactical pistols. Personally, I like the narrow, red fiber optic front sight with a Warren Tactical -Sevigny Carry plain black rear site with a wide notch.

    The irony, for me, is that I shoot cowboy action with Ruger Vaqueros; front sight serrated and rear sight widened to .170 inch. No paint, no tritium, just blued steel. I don't think there is anything faster in daylight, and at dusk/night, I believe in a light. Still haven't figured out how to mount one on the Vaqueros.
     
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