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Just pulled a dud I had at the range...

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Mags, Dec 7, 2010.

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  1. Mags

    Mags Member

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    ... the powder was clumped and wet. Too much oil in the gun? BTW it was a 9mm GDHP and the round in the chamber in my CCW piece.:what:

    Needless to say I picked up and tested some carry ammo that day.
     
  2. 243winxb

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    Were you loading outside while it was raining? :D Do you wash your brass in a liquid? Or tumble. Some spray type lubes/cleaners will get to the primer/powder as it penetrates. This happened with some PD that spray there revolver with the ammo still in the chamber.
     
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  3. Walkalong

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    Brass completely dry when you loaded it?
     
  4. GP100man

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    More info needed !!

    Factory or Handload ???

    Old ammo that got sweated on ????

    Do you rotate your magazines & ammo ???

    I used to take the primer sealer & seal my carry ammo , may go back to that practice !!!
     
  5. Mags

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    Handloaded, dry nickel brass,(I live in NM to answer any humidity questions) and the primer did go - off the bullet exited the case about 1/16 of an inch. The powder was Ramshot Shillouette. The funny thing is if it was oil I thought the primer would have been the first to dud.
     
  6. 243winxb

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    Powder charge? Starting load, or maximum. What data does Ramshot give? A very lite load might not burn correctly because of low pressure. Takes a lot sometimes to kill a primer.
     
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    I might be able to see CLP penetrating the bullet seal. That product will travel/penetrate the length of the gun.

    A 50mph rainstorm shouldn't wet the powder.
     
  9. ArchAngelCD

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    This sounds strange. The powder was wet but when you constructed the load it was dry?
    Did you crimp the case when you loaded the round? If you did I don't see how gun oil could have gotten inside the case. Was it the only round effected?
     
  10. ReloaderFred

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    Back in the late 1970's, when I was rangemaster for our department, we were carrying both revolvers and pistols, with about 300 of each in the field. When I had the Deputies shoot up their duty rounds, there were several that misfired, both in .38 Special and 9mm. When I pulled the bullets on them, they all had oil in the powder, all clumped up.

    What I found was that they were spraying their duty guns with WD-40 with the ammunition in them. As far as I'm concerned, WD-40 has only two uses. The first is to make things smell good, and the other is to kill ammunition. Other than that, it's only good for removing adhesive. (Ok, that's three uses).

    It apparently doesn't take a whole lot of penetrant to get into ammunition, and it goes without saying that we only carried factory ammunition for duty use. I don't know the circumstances surrounding Mags' polluted ammunition, but my advice is to never spray anything on a firearm with rounds in it.

    Hope this helps.

    Fred
     
  11. ArchAngelCD

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    That sounds like a good plan to me...
     
  12. Mags

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    Nope, never cleaned it with ammo in it. Not to mention that is just unsafe. I also always kept the bolt face dry. I am thinking oil leaked in from somwhere but I only lubed the slide rails on that gun.
     
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    I found that if I am using/adding a liquid polish to my walnut polishing media sometimes it clumps up in a few of my shell cases while polishing. If I add it to the media for a short spin before the brass I dont seem to have the problem.
     
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    Ramshot & Accurate Arms are exclusive brands of Western Powders Inc.

    http://www.ramshot.com/powders/silhouette.php Seems Silhouette is a newer powder, not fully tested maybe? :confused: Change powder brand to Alliants Bullseye or Unique to use with there data with the 9mm GDHP. Accurate Powder- Any company that changes product & calls the powders by the same name/number, would not be my powder supplyer. This may not be your problem:scrutiny:. But your loading practices might be? Double check everything when loading. :) [​IMG]
     
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    Silhouette is not new, it is the old Win WAP, exact same stuff, been around a long time.
     
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    Steve4102 said
    http://forums.1911forum.com/showpost.php?p=2424348&postcount=6 With "new and improved coatings" making it not the same. :D Seems Ramshot was in the process of proofing the data at the time they posted there copyright.
    :) New WAP -- Winchester Action Pistol introduced in 1994- if this is correct, why does Ramshot have to proof, load data, in 2004? :confused: Just want to learn, not argue. :)
     
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    I vote for too much case lube or oil wicking in after the fact.
     
  18. Mags

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    Just checked my load journal and that load had 5.5 grains of Shillouette.
    I don't lube pistol cases.

    You guys think this would happen to premium factory defensive ammo? I wonder because I don't want to need to use my CCW piece and have a click instead of a bang! I loaded that pistol up with Winchester bonded PDX +p.
     
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    Since powder companies retest powders frequently, and make changes in their newest manuals/online data, I would think this is normal.
     
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    There should never be enough oil in or on a firearm to soak into your cartridges. Like the old adage, "wipe on as much as possible, then wipe off as much as possible".
     
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    Agreed. I picked up 150 rounds of WWB at walmart. The bag ripped and all 3 boxes fell into the pothole by my truck. It was raining and all 3 boxes were submerged. I box proceeded to tear apart so I had to fish for all 50 rounds.

    They all shot fine.

    Unless you soak your ccw piece in penetrating oil regularly, I wouldn't suspect oil or lube to be the culprit.

    Answers the question about too much lube when reloading.

    I'm stumped!

    That would have been my reaction, too!
     
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  22. Slamfire

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    If you did not oil the powder during reloading, and did not oil the ammunition when in the gun, then there is only one answer: GREMLINS! :evil:
     
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    Or sabotage! Got anybody around that REALLY don't like you?:scrutiny::uhoh::eek:
     
  24. 243winxb

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    Water Found- Needs more Drying?

    :D
    Good info on powder > http://firearmsid.com/Feature%20Articles/McCord_gunpowder/index.htm [​IMG]
     
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    No answer for the gummed up powder, maybe pick up some lube from reloading equipment ???

    As far as primers they are hard to kill ,at least CCIs are !!

    You have a cup ,then the paste , then a absorbent layered backed with foil protecting the mix & finally the anvil
     
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