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Just What Is Buckshot?

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by RMc, Feb 2, 2013.

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  1. RMc

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    Well, what is buckshot?

    We see the term used everyday, but is the term "buckshot" market driven and changing , or is it fixed and unchanging?
     
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  2. rcmodel

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  3. RMc

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    So where does the term "Buckshot" begin to apply. Who makes that decision?
     
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    Click on the link I posted and read it.

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  5. RMc

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    The chart you reference cites as its source the Winchester Reloading Guide as cited in the NRA Firearms Fact Book. Does this mean the definition or sizes of "Buckshot" are not subject to change?
     
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    Yes it does.

    The term birdshot, and buckshot has been used for several centuries to represent shot sizes, throughout the world.

    And there is no changing it now.

    It's a universal term now.

    rc
     
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    Well for the moment let's avoid the English, German, and Italian variations of "buckshot" sizes and the relatively recent "Western Buckshot" sizes, (#3B Western = 00B Eastern or American), and just looking at current buckshot sizes offered in the U.S.

    The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute defines buckshot as starting with .20 caliber pellets. http://saami.org/glossary/display.cfm?letter=B

    Ballistic Products Inc. lists buckshot for sale in sizes ranging from .17" to .50". Need any #2.5 Buckshot?
    http://www.ballisticproducts.com/Super-Buck-Lead-Buckshot-B-8lb-170/productinfo/SBK1B/

    And according to Nuclead Co. Inc. and Sharp Manufacturing:

    "Buckshot is simply lead shot formed to larger diameters. Sizes range in ascending order from size B to Tri-Ball."

    http://www.nuclead.com/leadshotapps.html
     
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    Was that a loaded-question?:rolleyes:

    You have this information then come here and ask specifically about it?

    Please, tell us more!
     
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    First you measure the deer poop........
     
  10. RMc

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    "Well, what is buckshot?

    We see the term used everyday, but is the term "buckshot" market driven and changing , or is it fixed and unchanging? "
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    No trick questions.


    If you deer hunt in a designated "buckshot only" area, what does that mean?
    Perhaps the answer is not what you assume it to be.
     
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    For as long as I've been alive (only six decades now tho) the meaning of the term has been fixed and unchanging - what time horizon are you concerned with?
     
  12. RMc

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    Fred,

    Let me answer with a comparison.

    For most of your lifetime and mine, shotgun slugs were defined as full bore, weight forward soft lead designs that were safe and reasonably accurate from choke bore shotguns. Then along came BRI, 45 and 50 caliber sabot slugs and rifled barrels. While initially offered by smaller manufacturers, these are now generally accepted as shotgun slugs and the long accepted "traditional standards" for shotgun slugs are now just one of many types available.

    Buckshot today, while still consisting of round lead pellets, have greatly improved performance from what was the norm in the middle 1950's. But performance aside, with rare exception there are no required standards for buckshot sizes. SAAMI standards are all voluntary, even for member companies. Today manufacturers produce buckshot for handloaders in a range of sizes, (of their own designation), both larger and smaller than traditional. Available factory loaded non -traditional buckshot load ranges include, .20", .40" and .60" pellets. Some are made from hard non-toxic metals, some are pure lead minimum penetration home defense loads, some are hardened lead for maximum penetration. Indeed most traditional buckshot sizes are simply smaller today than in the 1950's, in order to fit in specialized shot cups.

    All are buckshot - today.
     
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  13. rcmodel

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    SO, what is your point??

    Or do you just feel the need to argue with somebody, and couldn't find a willing subject in real life??

    Right about now, I am truly sorry I even wasted my time trying to help you today!

    rc
     
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    No, shotgun slugs have ALWAYS been defined, very simply, as a single projectile (that is not a ball) fired from a shotgun.

    You accurately described what they were before technology advanced and people began using subcaliber/saboted single/non-ball projectiles in shotguns, however there was never any attempt to carefully and rigidly define them in the manner you have suggested and therefore there is no need to redefine them now.
    Sure, and by the same token, someone could start loading and selling ammunition marked .308 Winchester that won't chamber in a rifle marked .308 Winchester.

    Would that mean that the definition of .308 Winchester changed?

    I believe you're overthinking this. One can, with any advance in technology, look back and see the changes, but that doesn't automatically imply that those changes included a formal redefinition of the items affected by technology. We didn't have to formally redefine airplanes when jet turbine technology was perfected, nor did we have to redefine bullets when Barnes started making monometal copper projectiles. The same applies to this situation.
     
  15. RMc

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    RC,

    Your responses in this discussion are appreciated, there was no intent to argue or to put a burr under anyone's saddle.
     
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    Well, you did put one under mine.

    Your first post sounded like a newby who had no clue what buckshot was.

    Perhaps if you had stated your purpose of asking the question in your first post?
    I wouldn't have wasted my time looking up links and trying to answer your leading question in the first place!!

    Time I could have spent trying to help someone who really needed help.

    rc
     
  17. JShirley

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    RC's annoyed.

    I understand.

    John
     
  18. Walkalong

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    No one likes it when some feigns ignorance and then corrects the ones who try to help.

    It is what it is. Buckshot is buckshot and bird shot is bird shot.
     
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