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K L Null Holsters (SMZ)

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Coronach, Sep 6, 2003.

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  1. Coronach

    Coronach Moderator Emeritus

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    Hey all. I've been looking for a vertical shoulder holster for a 4" S&W M15, and have come up with only a few possibilities, being discussed here.

    I did a little research and came up with K L Null Holsters, and particularly the SMZ design. It certainly is priced nicely ($50) and seems to be what I'm looking for. But I'd never heard of them before...anyone ever used one of their shoulder holsters? Searches on THR/TFL yielded a few posts, generally positive.

    Thoughts on the SMZ?

    Thanks,
    Mike
     
  2. Walosi

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    I've carried 2" J frames in the SMZ for a number of years. Once it is adjusted for fit and gun position, it is very handy - even hides well under a tail-out button front sport shirt of the "aloha" variety. I also used one with a 3" N frame for a couple of years, but the weight and thin straps didn't go well together.
    I position the Js so the sit next to the shirt pocket, and just a little lower. Any muzzle bulge is disguised by my tobacco pouch, in the shirt pocket. A K snub should also work well in the SMZ, but I can't answer for a 4" barrel - positioning is tricky with butt-down carry, and the extra two inches might require lowering the gun too far for comfortable access or comfortable "hang". Then again, depending on body size, etc., etc. maybe not.
     
  3. Coronach

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    But the holster itself is well made? How secure is the gun held in place? I mean, I know its not a retention rig, but could it come loose while the wearer was engaging in athletic activity?

    Thanks for the response,

    Mike

    PS I plan on wearing this under a fairly bulky jacket...so I think it will work with a 4" bbl ok.
     
  4. Walosi

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    The holster requires a lift (practiced, this lift just touches the trigger against the hook, and Null warns against carrying a gun with a light trigger in the SMZ) and an outward twist of the butt to break the retaining snap. It has to be practiced and is not a natural sequence of moves, but once learned, it is as fast as most other shoulder rigs. Running or jogging wouldn't bother it - a struggle that involved upper body grappling could cause it to release, but under a fairly heavy jacket, the chances are less. Murphy controls this stuff, as usual, but you don't want to put the odds in his favor just through your choice of carry. Hard one to call. The polymer material is very durable, and should meet anyones standards. Ken Null is an absolute quality obsessive, and when you see a polymer product in the midst of his ten-star horsehide, you know it is top grade.
     
  5. Coronach

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    Hmmm. Why do I suddenly have visions of a struggle, and during that struggle the pistol gets jostled around and jammed upwards, and the hook inside the trigger guard gets pressed up against the trigger.

    Hmmm.

    I dunno how likely that is but...

    I may have just answered a question for myself.

    Mike :uhoh:
     
  6. Jeff OTMG

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    Ken Null is known for making a very high quality product. He is a friend of Lou Alessi's and he has the same attitude for customer service. If you are not satisfied, he will make it right. His reputation is worth much more than a few dollars that he would make on an unsatisfied customer.
     
  7. Walosi

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    A little history on the SMZ - It is a handgun adaptation of a rig originally made for under-coat carry of a subgun (Uzi or HK -memory fails). One of his first contract sales was to an "agency", who issued the S&W 36 to their administrative employees. It was always meant as a discreet carry for a small personal protection piece, and probably doesn't go too well over kevlar. Since it is moisture proof and concealable, even under the right shirt, employees in the humid regions picked up on it and it has gained and maintained a favorable reputation over the years in that applcation.
    Ken Null not only builds some of the finest leather available, but he also reasons out the proper and improper uses of his product. He isn't afraid to produce "specialty" items like the horizontal CD for drivers, but he is up front with the purpose of these items AND their limitations. It's pat my bedtime, so thinking is risky, butif you like the advantages of the SMZ, and would consider going to a 2" for backup, take a look at the SKR - it is a pull-through and doesn't have the trigger drawback of the SMZ. Alessi and Null are two of the very few (and as we get older, they get fewer) who know how a pull-through should be made.
     
  8. Coronach

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    Yeah, I think that we're on the same page...workmanship is by all accounts fine, but the design of this rig isn't right for me...but would be ok for, as you said, discrete off-duty carry.

    Heck, I may pick one up just for that purpose.

    But on-duty, no...I think its probably not an option. And no, I'm pretty set on the 4" as the under-jacket BUG. A good counter suggestion, though.

    Thanks, all-

    Mike
     
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