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That one had to have a major pucker factor...
Kabooms! (Tons of pics)
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That one had to have a major pucker factor...
Owen Sparks
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Yikes!
I wish I knew the story behind the pictures.
Someone mentioned all the Glocks and AR's that blew up.
You could say the same thing about Fords and Chevies being involved in so many wrecks. You do not see many Volvos and Sabbs in wrecks simply because you do not see very many Volvos and Sabbs. Glocks and AR's are NOT more prone to blow up than anything else but you see more Glock and AR KB's simply because there are so many of them.
I wish I knew the story behind the pictures.
Someone mentioned all the Glocks and AR's that blew up.
You could say the same thing about Fords and Chevies being involved in so many wrecks. You do not see many Volvos and Sabbs in wrecks simply because you do not see very many Volvos and Sabbs. Glocks and AR's are NOT more prone to blow up than anything else but you see more Glock and AR KB's simply because there are so many of them.
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Meant to specify and say that the P22 is crappy. Real Walthers are good guns. Sorry about that.
Arkansas Paul
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Hmm. That's precisely why I DO reload. That way I know for sure what I'm pulling the trigger on. Ammunition manufacturing companies like Remington, Winchester and Federal don't hand inspect every single round. I do.
1KPerDay
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Here's one I personally witnessed: squib followed by a slug. Wolf ammo, Mossberg 930 SPX. Nobody hurt, luckily. Apparently Wolf paid for repairs.
Mac Attack
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Looking at those pictures is enough to make a person stop shooting. I wonder how many of those can be due to poor reloads.
ny32182
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I'd venture to say on those AR15s, you couldn't stuff in enough of a correct rifle powder to cause that much damage. When these pictures come with a story, it is always that either the bore was obstructed by a squib or something else, or they didn't notice there was still some pistol powder in the measure and they loaded it up with 23gr of Titegroup or whatever. Kaboom.
I've seen a lot of pictures of wrecked cars too, and it doesn't make me stop driving. There are millions and millions of guns that didn't blow up today, and cars that weren't wrecked today. An out of context picture of a blown up gun on the internet means nothing.
I've seen a lot of pictures of wrecked cars too, and it doesn't make me stop driving. There are millions and millions of guns that didn't blow up today, and cars that weren't wrecked today. An out of context picture of a blown up gun on the internet means nothing.
i noticed that all of the Walther P22's have a silencer, or threaded adapter on the end of the barrel. that makes me wonder if there is maybe a clearance problem, or if the adapter is heat soaking, and expanding, causing seizure on the slide. and that seizing, is causing the slide to crack. i understand that it is not a high quality steel slide. but if the problem is with aftermarket parts, there should be instructions with them to open the slide up slightly. i can see where adding anything to the end of the barrel, would cause more heat to stay in the gun.
Nushif
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Or it's the same gun ...
SpentCasing
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The supressors on those P22s are fake. They come from the factory like that.
SilentStalker
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Maintaining your weapon
Now when you guys refer to some of these as a lack of maintenance on the weapon I must ask what you mean specifically? Besides, cleaning and lubing what kind of maintenance would one need to do to keep something like this from happening? I mean I could see changing out recoil springs and things like that but there really isn't much to most firearms so what specifically should one do or be looking for here.
As far as squibs go, I have often wondered how people with fully autos would ever detect a squib before it is too late. I mean at least on semi auto you could count and should be able to see the casing fly off but on a fully auto that would be dang near impossible.
Now when you guys refer to some of these as a lack of maintenance on the weapon I must ask what you mean specifically? Besides, cleaning and lubing what kind of maintenance would one need to do to keep something like this from happening? I mean I could see changing out recoil springs and things like that but there really isn't much to most firearms so what specifically should one do or be looking for here.
As far as squibs go, I have often wondered how people with fully autos would ever detect a squib before it is too late. I mean at least on semi auto you could count and should be able to see the casing fly off but on a fully auto that would be dang near impossible.
Stevie-Ray
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Some squibs have been strong enough to complete the action, but they're rare. All my underpowered rounds have exited the barrel, yet NOT cycled the action. They have all been .22s, though. I've always thought autos a bit safer than revolvers in this respect.
WardenWolf
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How the heck do you squib on a smoothbore? You'd think it'd at least roll out the barrel.
This depends on the type of action and where the squib jams. On a recoil-operated gun, the back pressure from the gas may be sufficient to still operate the action, though probably not. On a gas-operated gun, IF the squib jams forward of the gas port, the trapped gas pressure will all vent through the gas port and will probably cycle the action fully. I have seen a video where an AK got squibbed like this. If you watch it in slow motion, it's pretty obvious what happened. One round squibbed just forward of the gas port but still cycled the action. Second round fired, and the air trapped between the second bullet and the squib opened the action prematurely, resulting in a massive gas vent from the breech.
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X Wrench:
I have a Walther P22 that normally has a silencer/suppressor (real, not fake) attached to it. I have to calculate it, but I'm pretty sure it has seen more than 12-15K rounds through it. I did have one failure with it about two weeks ago. The hammer spring snapped. Apparently, according to their CS that is the more common failed part. Less than a week later, I received the replacement and it's back in play. The slide is "light" but so far no issues other than a wear spot at the slide lock notch area.
As to factory ammo versus reloads. I too have had several failures in factory ammo from big name companies. Winchester, Remington, Federal, etc. Have had apparently low and high charges in 9, 45, missing primers in 223, discolored, stained, and scratched cases in 9, 40, 45. No powder, etc... Had a Win 9mm kboom in an Uzi carbine, buckled the top cover, but otherwise ok. Had some factory 9mm kboom in Beretta 92 bending the extractor and action transfer bar (don't know correct name for it).
Have had "commercial" reloads from Ultramax that were likely on the overcharge scale and possibly bad brass. Blew out the case web area on 3 cartridges resulting in some stinging of my hand and near Kbooms in Glocks and Beretta. I just finished pulling all the remaining rounds and will post up some details on my weighing of the charges.
To date, my own reloads have had zero failures.
As to all the pics, without the accompanying side story, I won't make any assumptions.
/Eddy
I have a Walther P22 that normally has a silencer/suppressor (real, not fake) attached to it. I have to calculate it, but I'm pretty sure it has seen more than 12-15K rounds through it. I did have one failure with it about two weeks ago. The hammer spring snapped. Apparently, according to their CS that is the more common failed part. Less than a week later, I received the replacement and it's back in play. The slide is "light" but so far no issues other than a wear spot at the slide lock notch area.
As to factory ammo versus reloads. I too have had several failures in factory ammo from big name companies. Winchester, Remington, Federal, etc. Have had apparently low and high charges in 9, 45, missing primers in 223, discolored, stained, and scratched cases in 9, 40, 45. No powder, etc... Had a Win 9mm kboom in an Uzi carbine, buckled the top cover, but otherwise ok. Had some factory 9mm kboom in Beretta 92 bending the extractor and action transfer bar (don't know correct name for it).
Have had "commercial" reloads from Ultramax that were likely on the overcharge scale and possibly bad brass. Blew out the case web area on 3 cartridges resulting in some stinging of my hand and near Kbooms in Glocks and Beretta. I just finished pulling all the remaining rounds and will post up some details on my weighing of the charges.
To date, my own reloads have had zero failures.
As to all the pics, without the accompanying side story, I won't make any assumptions.
/Eddy
Stump Water
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Exactly.
And to the "why I don't reload" crowd... I've been reloading for 25 years and have had exactly two rounds that didn't go bang (backwards primers). Whereas I long ago lost count of factory ammo malfunctions.
Stump Water
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Wad = barrel obstruction.
One would "think" the next round would just push the wad out, but physics dosen't think.
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Wow I was noticing some strange wear on my Taurus PT 145 Pro slide and thought I would look up "kabooms". I was surprised to see so many respected name brands with horrible failures. I guess it's true that "Every manufacturer experiences some breakage"
ClickClickD'oh
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The case stuck in the KB'd FN 5.7 has absolutely no shoulder on it... I don't even want to know how they pulled that off.
ralphie98
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I've managed to make a squib in my Glock 34 and it did cycle but the next round ran into the squib causing a failure to feed. Its a good thing too because I honestly didn't notice a difference in the recoil probably because the slide cycled.
WardenWolf
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I still think it'd have to be a pretty weak gun for that to cause problems. I mean, really?
An overpressure scenario on an AR-15 vents out the magwell primarily. It could be as simple as a case head failure or as severe as a squib. Regardless, the result is usually the same: a blown up magazine.
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This thread is the reason why I really don't like doing "quick shooting", but more precision shooting. IF your squib cycled the slide, with bullet lodged half way down the barrel, stripping off the next round into the chamber, you'd have a bad day.
I know that it is a rare occurance. Would I NEVER do rapid fire? I honestly don't know. Most places I go to shoot require 2-3 seconds between shots, so "rapid fire" isn't allowed. Would I, on someone's land? Maybe a few rounds, but that's about it. . . . . . and probably with a .22lr . . . mostly due to the actual COST of rounds.
I know that it is a rare occurance. Would I NEVER do rapid fire? I honestly don't know. Most places I go to shoot require 2-3 seconds between shots, so "rapid fire" isn't allowed. Would I, on someone's land? Maybe a few rounds, but that's about it. . . . . . and probably with a .22lr . . . mostly due to the actual COST of rounds.
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It wasn't a wad. It was two slugs. One squib, slug stuck in barrel. Shooter quickly ejected "misfire" and loaded another slug behind it, boom. Nobody heard the primer go off, and several were wearing electronic muffs.
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