Kahr CM9 nightmare!

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After I made my statement about the Boberg, I did some checking and found this video of Arne Boberg firing the XR9-S without a recoil spring, he calls it "flip firing":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbmVjvlDPK0

Quote from Arne:

the XR series does not use a recoil spring... the spring that runs the length of the slide is simply a slide return spring. you could toss it in the trash and shoot the pistol the rest of your life, you would just need to slap the slide forward manually.

in the XR series, the recoil is being absorbed by the lift mechanism and the rotating barrel mechanism. these are FAR more efficient at absorbing energy than a simple heavily packed recoil spring and a bunch of extra weight on the slide could ever do. that is how we are the softest felt recoil .45 and 9mm subcompact out there!"
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It seems like the prices of Kahr have come down over the years, so perhaps QC has diminished??

I know about a decade ago I had a friend with two different .40 caliber Kahr models, both of which were so plagued with problems they were dumped back in Kahr's lap permanently.

I never seriously considered Kahr due to that. But in the last two years, I came into some great deals on used Kahrs. They are 9mm, and I've shot two of the three, and the two functioned perfectly. Kinda nervous about them all now after reading this thread.
 
I have been interested in the all steel Karh's mainly because I prefer all metal, but the CM/CW price has caught my eye.

After reading this thread it makes me appreciate my J-frame a lot more. Now I know there many bad things about J's, like heavy triggers and low capacity being foremost among them. Now if I ever get a Karh it will most likely be a used PM series, but I'll more likely to get a Shield.
 
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I just my kahr cm9 back from kahr yesterday. It broke two followers on mags. They covered shipping both ways and it took about two weeks. They worked on the feed ramp. Hopefully problem solved. Great little gun, accurate and eats everything.
 
railroader when did you buy your CM9?

I am picking mine up today, I'm hoping I don't have any problems with it.
 
Two weeks ago I picked up a used, blemished (B-marked frame) CM9. That's 3 strikes against it right off the bat. I got it from a local store for $340 out the door. Probably could have done better had I gone home first and done more research, but then again, that gun would have been gone and I prefer to put my hands on a gun first rather than buying online these days.

The lil' booger runs! I don't know the round count, but I've run 300 rounds so far of various ammo without any issues, to include some PDX1. Very light recoil, and very accurate at 7 yards (haven't shot it any further out). The recoil characteristics are surprising, especially considering its size. In fact, contrary to the discussions here I'm pretty sure the stout recoil spring setup is what contributes to its low recoil. It certainly doesn't need that much help closing the slide and chambering a new round.

I like it enough that I gave it brushed flats, added a trijicon front sight and got a Desantis Superfly for it.

I bought the gun as something to bridge the gap between my usual pocket carry Glock 26, and my Seecamp. This CM9 delivers. I don't mess with the extended mags; I only use the 6-rounders.

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You must have some BIG pockets!
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When it comes to non-work related clothing, if the pants/shorts don't have generous pockets, I don't purchase them. I use a custom gun belt no matter what I'm carrying. Been toting the G26 this way for 10 years now. In tighter fitting pants, or when I'm not allowed to carry, there's the Seecamp.

The CM9 fits nicely between the other two in terms of size and concealability.
 
"Brushed Flats" vs. Beadblasted Stainless. Beadblasted finishes are created in a blastic cabinet with some form of media, such as aluminum oxide or glass beads. Brushed finishes are sorta the middle ground between matte finishes and mirror polished.

Brushed finishes are created either with a wire wheel or, in my case, an abrasive paper such as a fine grit sandpaper used for auto body work. I used 800 grit and 1000 grit automotive paper on a wooden block to give the flat sides of the slide a moderately shiny finish. In the photo above, you can see it has a shine, but it is not a mirror shine.

The CM9 comes standard with a beadblasted finish. I find that while it looks good when it's new, beadblasted finishes show scratches very easily, and the only way to correct them is to beadblast the component all over again. Brushed finishes are easy to touch-up and maintain with fine grit sandpaper. On top of that, it has been my experience that beadblasted finishes are more prone to rust, as it consists of tons of microscopic hills and valleys for moisture to gather in.

Basically, I like my CM9 enough that I was willing to take the block and sandpaper to it. If I didn't like it, I would have kept it original so I could sell it downstream much easier. ;)
 
life is too short to spend hard earned money on a 50/50 gamble of a gun.
 
I want to dislike my CM9 because of all the bad i have read about it so i can trade it off but every time i shoot it i am surprised by how easy it is to shoot and i have not had a failure of any kind or a busted follower.
I guess i got a "good one" :)
 
This is certainly sadly different than my experience with Kahr CS. I had breakin issues with a Kahr KP380, and the tech was wonderful. Immediately sent a replacement recoil spring, listened to my issue, discussed ammo and breakin, possible limp-wristing, all the stuff you do.

This was maybe three years ago, however....
 
there is a british accented person identifying himself as Ian/Ion. he does not have the disposition to be in customer care, if they even practice that at Kahr.

that said, my PM9 has been mint since day one.
 
Jerry you may have just gotten a jerk when you called. I had a leak in a 5yr old sink Over $1000.00 and I called the company and got a guy who didn't really want to spend the time figuring out what model I had, so he sent me the wrong parts, when I called back I got a wonderful woman who spent 20 minutes making sure she sent me the right parts, even had me pull it up on the computer, so 2 completely different experiences from the same company.
I believe it's quite common these days, I am not comparing guns to sinks, just people in CS, vary from person to person. Maybe you just got a bad one.
And honestly unless you have a problem with something, it's great. So if I call Kahr tomorrow "if something went wrong with my gun", and wasn't happy with the response, it would change my opinion also. That's just a natural reaction, everything is great until it isn't.
 
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there is a british accented person identifying himself as Ian/Ion. he does not have the disposition to be in customer care, if they even practice that at Kahr.

that said, my PM9 has been mint since day one.
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Ahh...Ian and I have had a few conversations. He does seem rather curt. I suspect he is working some long hours at Kahr customer service these days and is a little tense.
Dealing with people all day who are P.O'd that their brand new gun doesn't work must be a thankless job.
 
Ahh...Ian and I have had a few conversations. He does seem rather curt. I suspect he is working some long hours at Kahr customer service these days and is a little tense.
Dealing with people all day who are P.O'd that their brand new gun doesn't work must be a thankless job
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at least hes getting paid, unlike the saps who spent hard earned cash to buy a gun that doesn't work....
 
I considered kahr when I made my 9 mm purchase but luckily a friend let me know that they tend to have quality issues. Sorry to hear about your troubles.
 
leadcounsel said:
It seems like the prices of Kahr have come down over the years, so perhaps QC has diminished??

I know about a decade ago I had a friend with two different .40 caliber Kahr models, both of which were so plagued with problems they were dumped back in Kahr's lap permanently.

I never seriously considered Kahr due to that. But in the last two years, I came into some great deals on used Kahrs. They are 9mm, and I've shot two of the three, and the two functioned perfectly. Kinda nervous about them all now after reading this thread.
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It's the internet
It's a bitch thread
You're gonna find mostly folks bitching in a bitch thread
Makes a product look worse than it may be
YMMV
 
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