Kahr troubles

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by cowzrul, Dec 19, 2009.

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  1. JK

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    "break in"

    I expect my firearms to work when I plop down my hard earned cash. I understand that any weapon should be shot until it is proved trustworthy. I cannot accept the idea that a firearm has to be shot until it even functions.

    It appears that a certain manufacturer is promoting just this line of crap.

    My guess is they outsource most manufacturing and hire low paid people to assemble parts into firearms. Why have quality control when the product has a guarantee?

    Now, when the bad reputation of the manufacturer starts to catch up with them they might set up a web site and hire a paid endorser or two to do damage control.

    Just my opinion, what's yours?
     
  2. Coltman 77

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    About a year ago, I qualified for my CCH beside a guy who was shooting a Kahr.

    I had my 92FS which ran perfectly. He had a Kahr 9mm.

    His pistol choked on the second round. :what:

    And BTW, I'm sure you gentlemen know this but Kahr, is owned by "Saeilo Corp." and is a subsidiary of the Unification Church.

    Kahr's founder Kook Jin Moon is the son of Sun Myung Moon the originator of the "church."

    Sun Myung Moon and the church recognize Sun as the Messiah, or the second coming of Christ.

    So per my reading, Kahr is owned by a South Korean church that recognizes Sun Myung Moon as the Messiah. :uhoh:

    Interesting...
     
  3. Dr.Rob

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    This comes up in EVERY Kahr thread. You don't like someone's politics or religion, don't buy their products. But That has nothing to do with the quality of the MFG. Please leave the off topic comments out of it.
     
  4. Coltman 77

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    Good point Dr. Rob.

    I gave a very specific example of a major Kahr failure that I witnessed first hand.

    But frankly, politics has nothing to do with subpar handguns.

    Kahr quality is in the limelight. And it is totally lacking from what I've seen personally and from what I've read.
     
  5. redneckrepairs

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    Until a few days ago i was the happy owner of three Kahrs , Now i am the happy owner of two . I had no issue with the p45 I traded off , rather I wanted another 1911 and a buddy had an extra and the boot for the trade . I am pleased with the reliability and quality of all the Kahrs i have owned . Looking at the pics of primer strikes it seems apparent to me that either it is a severely out of spec slide , or not fully in battery ( and if this is the case its a good thing that the hit was " light " ) . Kahrs are tight little beasts coming out of the factory , and on the plastic models they will shed some plastic from the mold lines . Kahrs' recommendation of a " break inn " round count is imho nothing more than honesty . I have seen several $1-2+ k custom and semi custom 1911s as well as others that choke some on the first few hundred rounds . There are a lot of fine pistols out there cheaper than most Kahrs , and many of them are built loose enough to run from round one , without seating the moving parts . Many today forget what an engineering feat it was to put full 9mm into a pistol the size of a walther pp, and then smaller . Justin Moon ( see i bring up the Moon thing too lol ) did that and then made it smaller . As the formfactor goes down the issues go up , some sacrifice tolerance to size , Kahr sacrifices your bilfold ( in break in ammo ) to it . The only other game going in the same class is the rohrbaugh, and for quite a bit more money you get a smaller form factor , heel mag release , no +P , and crappy pocket pistol sights ( on some models ) but it is as much smaller from the kahr than the pf9 is larger .
     
  6. dogtown tom

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    So..........how many Navy Seals has the Kahr seriously injured?:rolleyes:

    It's always funny when folks compare quality using these kind of examples.
     
  7. lions

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    I'm completely happy with my CW9. As far as a break in is concerned, ANY gun that I plan on carrying will go through a break in period. With respect to spending the money on breaking it in, were you not planning on shooting it in the first place? Throughout my break in period and well beyond it I haven't experienced a single failure.
     
  8. Homerboy

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    Everybody expects to fire the gun before trusting it for carry, but when a compnay REQUIRES it, and no other companies do, that is a different story. Bud's gunshop has a Kahr for $690. That is an obscene amount of money for a polymer framed pistol. Do H&K advise their customers not to carry the gun until it is "broken in". Do they tell their complaining customers "hey, did you shoot the required 200 rounds yet?". A gun of that price should work right out of the box, period. And the pic the OP posted regarding that chewed up guiderod is just more proof of their lack of quality control.

    For what is is worth, I have NEVER had a malfunction with any pistol I own, other than a Glock 19 once 9and i sold it). malfunctions in a modern, quality made foreram with factory mags and good ammo should be the exception to the rule, not part of the ownership experience.
     
  9. greenlion

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    A few observations after owning several KAHRs over the years:

    I've never seen any auto pistol that came from the factory with as much machining dust and debris left in them as the KAHRs I've owned. I always disassemble every pistol I intend to shoot to check that it is properly lubed and clear of obstructions. Every KAHR I've purchased has been bone dry and full of grit and metal dust. I suspect that this plays a role in the number of "break in period" horror stories that you hear about. I've never had a malfunction with any of mine. Not one. I suspect that proper cleaning and lubrication played a role in making them function 100% from round number one for some owners.
     
  10. Coltman 77

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    How many Kahr pistols injured Navy SEALs?

    Well, zero ... comparable to the number of SEALs who've gotten hurt using those Red Ryder BB guns that Ralphie got in "A Christmas Story." And like Red Ryder, Kahr isn't even on the SEALs radar.

    What I said -- and I'm sorry to have to say it again so you can understand -- is that the guy next to me had a pistol that did not function when it needed to.

    It happened to be a Kahr and I reported what I saw.

    Sorry you all got butt-hurt about it. No offense intended.
     
  11. m2steven

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    "Take a look at the Seecamp (.380) model. Two year backlog due to quality, form, fit and function."..........

    Could that be the reason that Kahr may let the end user wear any rough spots down by firing it 200 times? Plus I've priced a few Seecamps and they are expensive. They ARE beautiful, but they are expensive.

    The thing is, I found very little in the way of post production imperfections on neither of my Kahrs. They were beautifully made pistols and perform as well as they look. I will acknowledge some of their line does seem to have a share of known problems. I've stayed away from those.

    I think Kahr metal pistols are some of the finest handguns you can purchase. The are beautiful in form and function.

    Now that i've said all that, my local dealer (gun!!!!) had a Seecamp 380 or 32 the other day and it WAS a real piece of work and I almost took the bait.
     
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