Kali joke

[Correia]

Yes, Thorn, I must be dimwitted. That is a simpler explanation than your posting being nothing but incoherent ramblings, where no two understandable thoughts are strung together in any sort of grammatical method acceptable in the English language.

Wait, please allow me to translate that into something that you may understand with your superior Bezerkly intellect:

Girlz! Girlz! Yo- if you is from teh south you is bring because the weather here is good and are laws are the suck but if you don't be from here you are PWNED! With FULL AUTO cause it is hidden. Colorado fought for teh union and they liek totally surrendered to the canadians! WORD. Cause teh place you are from is like the suck and bringest place.

Okay. I hope that was more understandable to you.

For fun, go back and read the original Thorn post I referenced. Read it out loud, but read it fast, and shout random words like you have Tourettes syndrome. It is pretty funny. (I got the idea from Dr. Rob as how you should read Hardin posts, and it works really well.)

 

[R.H. Lee]

I'm impressed, Correia. You DO speak Californianese.
{:kewl:}

 

[Correia]

R.H., like I said, Cali born and raised.

But I'm from an area near... GASP... FRESNO!

(El Nido, Merced County)

 

[Phyphor]

<convulse>

Fresno? You poor dude, (not that I can say much, I was born in Tulare, Oct. 2, 1977, )

 

[AStone]

Girlz! Girlz! Yo- if you is from teh south you is bring because the weather here is good and are laws are the suck but if you don't be from here you are PWNED! With FULL AUTO cause it is hidden. Colorado fought for teh union and they liek totally surrendered to the canadians! WORD. Cause teh place you are from is like the suck and bringest place.

Correia, I think it's time to consider a career change. May i recommend the SoCal hiphop scene? Let me know if you're interested in breaking into the recording scene. I've got a couple of indirect connections, we could probably hook you up.

Nem

 

[QuarterBoreGunner]

STAGE 2... give it up. Cali born and raised and even I'm tired of defending my state and home from people that have never been here and form all their opinions from the mass media and popular politico outlets.

Here I speak from what I laughingly call 'the heart of darkness' - San Francisco, California.

I refuse to define myself in 'red state' or 'blue state' terms, that's simplistic and doesn't begin to include the individual ideas and beliefs of our great state.

Ah...whatever...I'm repeating myself and like I said, I'm tired of defending my home state and town. Let the rest of the country buy into their predjudices. If they want to wallow in their ignorance, then let them.

 

[BamBam-31]

Yeah, but why is it that we as Californian gun owners have to put up with this kind of ignorant drivel? Imagine, if you will, living in California as an avid gun owner and supporter of the 2nd. People around you start eyeing you with suspicion, asking, "Why on Earth would you need a gun, let alone a couple dozen?" You have to be up to no good, right?

So you turn to THR for refuge and fellowship with those of like mind, only to have those "friends" turn on you and paint you with a broad Kali-this Kali-that brush. Maybe it's because they're as frustrated with our politicians as we are. Maybe they live in an ugly sister state and act out their sense of inferiority accordingly. Or maybe they're just plain ignorant and immature.

Whatever it is, it's really sad. In "Free America," there's no stigma attached to gun ownership, at least not like it is around here. So it's harder for us Californians to be "one of us," and yet that's precisely what we are. For others of us to ridicule us simply because we're Californian is bitter irony, not to mention counter-productive to our collective cause as gun owners.

So go ahead and have your fun. Compare us the the French. Call us fruits and nuts and any other original Kali stereotype you wish. Tell us over and over again we're the state with the worst gun laws when in fact we are not. Maybe if you say it enough, we'll believe it, eh? Or not. You see, we're used to this kind of ignorant stereotyping being forced down our throats--we just don't expect it from our own.

Frankly, aside from Corriea's most excellent post, I find no humor in this thread at all. Quite the opposite, really. The rampant Cali-bashing--and the lack of any attempt to curtail it--is really turning me off to "The High Road."

 

[AStone]

Frankly, aside from Corriea's most excellent post, I find no humor in this thread at all. Quite the opposite, really.

Bam, reasonable points. I feel your pain.

Consider this: 1) the state I currently live in (subject to change at any second due to my nomadic status) is due north of yours; 2) my state regularly gets tagged for being too 'hippie' (what ever that means these days); 3) only the western 1/4 of my state could qualify for #2, with the eastern 3/4 decidedly 'red' with big, open desert skies {i get SO tired of red state/blue state comparisons ; people, read my lips: in the bigger scheme of things, red v. blue is irrelevant}.

If these two states, along with MillCreek's 'state' (WA) were to collaborate, we could secede (ok, only a fantasy; so shoot me).

Only thinking out loud. No truth implied.

On the upside, today, i handled both a Ruger GP101 & SW 686, one of which - in .357 with 3" barrel - will be my next handgun.

Nem

 

[Oldtimer]

I just QUIT as a member of some other gun-related forum, due to all of the California bashing! For the longest time, I tried to be reasonable, by posting that I would NEVER bash anyone elses state, but that only got me lamblasted with insults!

I'll continue to adhere to my personal convictions, for it does NO good to bash anyone, or bash the state that they live in. Don't misunderstand me, for I know that SOME of your "kind" words about California are meant for nothing other than humor, but even humor can cut very deep!

Yes, I am TOTALLY disgusted with the way California has eroded through the years, but I'm not going to abandon the ship! Two of my closest friends did, by moving to Arizona....but both have returned to California!

I've visited all of the states, except Alaska. They ALL have their fair share of undesirables!
They also have their fair share of wonderful people, too! This is a wonderful country, and there is NO doubt in my mind that this country will continue to be blessed by God!

If you consider the fact that there are VERY few Americans that are LEAVING this country to set up residency in other countries....and that there are literally MILLIONS of foreigners flooding INTO the USA, that should spell out how great this nation is.....STILL!

As for a "split", making California two separate states, that will NEVER happen! And, I certainly hope that our nation won't be divided AGAIN, as it was in the Civil War! I am, firstly, an AMERICAN, and secondly, a Californian. Having been to YOUR state at one time or another, I liked it! It was a part of the USA, and YOUR state had some very wonderful people in it! Well, believe it or not, California ALSO has some WONDERFUL people!

About the only thing that I can add is that the pendulum swings in two different directions, and I have seen it in the "right" direction in California. While it is currently stuck in the "wrong" direction of swing, I've also seen some very interesting indicators that tell me that the pendulum is about to swing back toward the "right" direction! Sorry for the rant, but that's how I feel! Bash away, if you want!

 

[Byron Quick]

Bash away, if you want!

I don't want to bash you or any Californians.

Except your legislators, Congressmen, and Senators. Most of them.

 

[eclipse1]

amen brother!!!

 

[M-Rex]

My idea of happiness is Bill Lockyear's photo on the side of a milk carton.

 

[BamBam-31]

I don't want to bash you or any Californians.

Well, Byron, as a Moderator, what have you done about those that have? Seeing floats warning against "HATE" threads because they inevitably end in flame wars, and seeing how most Cali-bashing threads degenerate into something similarly uncivil, what have you done about it? My guess is nothing.

 

[Correia]

Bam Bam, in all honesty, I'm a native Californian, and I'm a little touchy about people bashing Californians in general, (try being a Californian that moved to Utah sometime!)

However the vast vast vast majority of the time when people on this board insult California, they aren't talking about you, or the guys like you, they are talking about your idiot politicians, and the horrible state of your laws, and the majority of morons that manage to elect those politicians.

If you have a particular post that you think is over the line, use the report this post function and it will get a Mods attention.

 

[No_Brakes23]

I am not on Calguns, cause they post mean teasing pictures like this:

Just kidding. I actually hadn't heard of it yet.

 

[Brian Dale]

BamBam,

Yeah, but why is it that we as Californian gun owners have to put up with this kind of ignorant drivel?

+1

Of course, the same joke would work if it were about "the world" and "politicians." As I read it, the original post was taking a shot at politicians, not at you.

 

[Byron Quick]

We moderate the way in which members express themselves. We moderate attacks on members.

To date ridiculing states is not considered to be a violation of forum rules, as long as it remains civil derision.

Have I done anything to stop members from criticizing California? No. Have I done anything about members attacking other members as individuals? Yes. Have I done anything about members expressing ideas in language that is not civil? Yes.

I really don't think you're going to get what you appear to want from the moderators. Members can express their opinions about governments and locales as long as they do so in a civil manner.

Criticism is not bashing.

 

[Beetle Bailey]

Members can express their opinions about governments and locales as long as they do so in a civil manner.

Fair enough.

I've seen members call for boycotts on the entire state of California, as well as any gun companies that do business here. I've seen members post comments that have no apparent value other than possibly to vent rage. Makes me wonder what kind of miserable person needs to log on to a gun forum simply to rant. I've seen members post comments I would consider to be a "stab in the back" to all gun owners in California. I mean, it doesn't hurt, since these people usually show themselves to be childish and immature, but it tells you where you stand with your fellow gunowners. I've seen members taut California gun owners with guns/magazines that are no longer legal to purchase in California. Now, I'm not asking the moderators or anyone else to get these members to stop. All I'm saying is, it gives you insight into some of the members' thought processes.

I joined the NRA last year mainly to help make sure the so called AWB was not renewed. The sunset does very little for me, but I wanted the rest of the country to be free. I don't mean to try to pad my resume by saying I was responsible for the sunset, I'm just saying that I thought something was wrong and I tried to do my part (however small) to make it better. It's a little disappointing when THR members who should be the cream of the gun owning crop can contribute nothing better than " California Just leave When's that state gonna fall into the ocean :banghead: I have CCW you don't It's your fault you're outnumbered I like to do to other gun owners; it makes me happy to taut people" etc.

I suppose that isn't uncivil derision but I think it is rather immature, and more to the point, useless.

 

[Byron Quick]

And, I agree with you. It is childish and immature. I won't move to California or even visit. For I'm not going to change my habits and I'm a felon as far as your legislature is concerned. But, if I was born and raised there, I'd probably stay and try to change things.

 

[R.H. Lee]

As a native Californian, I'm not about to go anywhere else. Nor will I cry about 'victimization'. So you all in the so-called 'free states' can bash away to your hearts content. Just remember those so-called 'free states' are part of the Union, and subject to restrictive federal firearms regulation, which is inevitable.

You'll be crying soon enough.

 

[BamBam-31]

But, if I was born and raised there, I'd probably stay and try to change things.

And you'd probably be as irked by all the Cali-bashing sentiments as the rest of us. Forgive me if I come off as being a bit touchy on the subject--last nerves have a funny way of being overly sensitive.

Yes, the original post was aimed in jest only at Californian politicians, and for the most part this particular thread has stayed true to that. However, threads of this nature inevitably invite Cali-bashers to come in and dogpile on. That's when you get the "CA is a bunch of loonies, nuts, and fruits," or "We'd be better off if the Big One broke off CA and sank it in the Pacific," or "We have AK's, AR's, standard caps, no wait period, etc. Neener, neener, neener." Those comments are directed at me. One of my favorites is "Move back to 'Free America,'" as if life were predicated solely on gun rights. It's not. Think about it: In which state do you have the most freedom to be whomever you want, say whatever you want, worship whatever you want, etc.? Some WASP state, or CA? And I've got more than enough guns to defend my liberties, thank you. Free America, indeed.

If you think Cali-bashing consists only (or mainly) of criticisms against CA's body politic, you're wrong. Let's look at the whole elephant, shall we? Posts like Beetle and I have described are plentiful--if you bothered to do a search, you'd find quite a few PDQ. Only thing is, as you've pointed out, it's deemed acceptable, so it never shows up on your radar screens.

Well, I'm here to tell you that it's not. I'm tired of being made to feel like I should be sitting at the back of the gun owners' bus. I'm tired of good men doing nothing while Cali-bashers run their juvenile mouths. I'm tired of Cali-bashing threads turning into immature CA vs. all other states pissing contests. And if you think I'm alone in this, think again. I'm just the dummy putting it in writing.

Sad thing is, this is not the first time I've asked for a modicum of civility towards us Californians, from members in general as well as from moderators, only to be told, "Sorry, dude, but that's just the way it is. Don't like it? Find another sandbox." :banghead:

Man, somebody shoot me. Just a little. Maybe in the other hand, for symmetry's sake.

Anyways, sorry for the threadjack. Jest away.

 

[Byron Quick]

One of my favorites is "Move back to 'Free America,'" as if life were predicated solely on gun rights.

Leaving guns aside, I don't view California in the same fashion as you do. From my viewpoint, there are many other factors that would prevent me from going there.

Your views are different from my views. I've talked with Californian farmers, ranchers, and businessman. Maybe they were all lying to me. If they weren't lying, there is no way that I would put a business in the state or invest in one that operates there. I see much more to be concerned with in the state than guns. It certainly doesn't appear to be the utopia you describe.

The electricity problem is one example of the problems I see when I look at California. Let's make regulations that make it unprofitable to build new generating plants that would meet the state's electric power needs. This will force our utilities to buy power from out of state producers. Then we can set a cap on what our utilities can charge. Then we can watch the utilities go broke buying electricity from out of state that they can only sell to us at a set price. Then we can blame everyone else but us for the mess.


I'm not laughing at California or bashing California. The accepted truth that California leads the trends for the entire nation frankly scares the crap out of me. If it is true then the nation's future is probably bankruptcy. California has built an unstable and unsustainable system and seems to be unwilling or unable to change it. I certainly hope that is not the trend that rest of the nation will inevitably follow.

 

[BamBam-31]

Seems to me like we're speaking the same language, yet we're not speaking the same language.

I never claimed that California is a utopia, Paradise on Earth, paragon and paradigm for lesser states to follow. Perhaps you're responding to a previous poster's comment about the size of California's economy. I merely stated that we have plenty of freedoms here in California; moreso, I'd wager, than most other states. That's why I think it's silly when other posters say they're in "Free America," and we're not. California definitely is not without its own share of problems, however. On that, we wholeheartedly agree.

My posts addressed the poor manner in which Californians in general (and gun owning Californians in particular) are treated by other members in Cali-bashing type threads.