Kansas CCW legislation announced!
- Thread starter Devon
- Start date
- Status
lowracer
Member
tulsamal
Member
Amen! I live in the very NE corner of Oklahoma and I end up in Kansas, Missouri, and Arkansas quite often. And it always annoys the crap out of me as I unload my revolver driving across the state line into Kansas. I would love to see Kansas finally get with the program. I thought they would be before Colorado (another state I end up visiting) but even Colorado has CCW now!
Gregg
Zundfolge
Member
Here we go ... here's the bill
http://www.kslegislature.org/bills/2006/418.pdf
Reading it now ... looks like it will have automatic 100% reciprocity according to page 2 lines 2-4 and is clearly "shall issue".
I'll have to finish reading it before making any more comments but its starting out nice.
edit
Looks pretty good .. page 7 outlines where you can't carry and its not as bad as Nebraska's restrictions ... no bar carry but doesn't mention restaurants that serve alcohol. And it doesn't say you can't carry to the bank for chrissake!
http://www.kslegislature.org/bills/2006/418.pdf
Reading it now ... looks like it will have automatic 100% reciprocity according to page 2 lines 2-4 and is clearly "shall issue".
I'll have to finish reading it before making any more comments but its starting out nice.
edit
Looks pretty good .. page 7 outlines where you can't carry and its not as bad as Nebraska's restrictions ... no bar carry but doesn't mention restaurants that serve alcohol. And it doesn't say you can't carry to the bank for chrissake!
wmenorr67
Member
Love to see it happen. But even if it does, I'm not moving back.
texascarl
Member
wmenorr67 said:
That's OK, more for us. We already set up a gym in your old room anyway.
Kansas could get really crowded once we get CCW, everyone fed up with mountains and oceans is likely to move here to escape the constant stimulation. Plus, you know, tornado chasing. Big league tornado chasing.
But seriously, I stayed up til Midnight writing to my Kansas congresscritters. Not that I'll change anyone's mind, but I had my say.
mordechaianiliewicz
Member
now you know why i have this in my location
While i live in a part of kansas city which is full of limousine liberals (that special kind of liberal for whom stupidity is the essence of life), atleast mo now has ccw (all we need now is to get rid of our "permit to purhcase" a legacy of antebellum mo, and a jim crow law to boot). Maybe i might just move over the line now
While i live in a part of kansas city which is full of limousine liberals (that special kind of liberal for whom stupidity is the essence of life), atleast mo now has ccw (all we need now is to get rid of our "permit to purhcase" a legacy of antebellum mo, and a jim crow law to boot). Maybe i might just move over the line now
No_Brakes23
Member
Lol, my bags are packed in anticipation.texascarl said:
Wait, we have CCW out here already. Well, sort of. Good luck though, with Nebraska and Kansas added to the list, there will be a nice fat block of contiguous Carry states.scout26
Member
Trip20 said:
Here in Illinois our legislators can't even find the curve.......using both hands, and a map with written directions...... (The ones under idictment deny ever having known the curve even existed....)
Good Luck Jayhawks !!!!
texascarl
Member
texascarl said:
My congresscritter wrote back to ask if she could quote from my letter if/when there's a debate on the bill. Of course she can. I hope I spelled everything right, and hope the crayons didn't smear.
I worked with her at another job years ago, smart lady. I think she's looking forward to this pending slugfest. I predict that the '1 closely guarded woman's veto stands between the rest of us and safety' meme could get a lot of airplay. As it should.
I have a thought for you...
I don't know how effective it was yet, but I have made up a little business card that I provided to the legislators when I snail mail them during the run up to our fight here in Wisconsin.
The card simply has "No PPA = No Vote" emboldened and a tagline under it that says "If you support my rights then I will support your re-election."
500 cards cost only $60 at Kinkos. I passed them around with my friends and we all I sent one with letters to the antis. Made for a pseudo-ballot type thing.
I still have it in MS Publisher - if you want I will send ti to you.
I don't know how effective it was yet, but I have made up a little business card that I provided to the legislators when I snail mail them during the run up to our fight here in Wisconsin.
The card simply has "No PPA = No Vote" emboldened and a tagline under it that says "If you support my rights then I will support your re-election."
500 cards cost only $60 at Kinkos. I passed them around with my friends and we all I sent one with letters to the antis. Made for a pseudo-ballot type thing.
I still have it in MS Publisher - if you want I will send ti to you.
TGT
Member
What a surprise....another Democrat Governor!
Robert J McElwain
Member
Today, the Kansas City Star had two articles saying that Kansas is going for CCW and "Stand Your Ground" legislation. Let's hope we can get both past our bleeding heart Governor.
Bob
RaetherEnt
Member
insidious_calm said:
I would be VERY interested in helping you with this effort.
texascarl
Member
Backers say gun bill has a shot
The proposal -- similar to one Sebelius vetoed last year -- would allow some Kansans to carry concealed guns.
BY BRENT D. WISTROMEagle Topeka bureauTOPEKA -
Reloaded and trying to avoid a repeat of last year, gun advocates have returned with a bill that would let qualified Kansans carry hidden firearms.
This year's legislation is almost identical to the proposal Gov. Kathleen Sebelius vetoed last year. And, unless the bill changes, her aides said, it's likely to get blocked again.
But some legislators think the upcoming election could put more pressure on Sebelius to sign Senate Bill 418. The Senate Federal and State Affairs Committee is expected to move the proposal to the Senate floor Tuesday.
Even if Sebelius vetoes the bill this year, Rep. Candy Ruff said, backers of the bill will work to secure enough votes to override a veto. A two-thirds vote of both the Senate and the House is necessary to override a veto.
"This is a bill that's going to become law one way or another," Ruff, D-Leavenworth, said. She is a leading supporter of the proposal.
Except for the upcoming elections, the concealed carry debate echoes what Kansans have heard for years.
This week, many of the same lobbyists offered the same arguments and studies as last year.
When it was over, the chairman asked whether anyone had questions.
Sen. John Vratil, R-Leawood, said he had a question that hadn't been answered: If carrying guns deters violence, why wouldn't having that firearm exposed be better than having it hidden?
Sen. Phil Journey, a long-time gun advocate and former president of the state's National Rifle Association affiliate, said concealed weapons are better because they keep criminals guessing. They never know whether the little old lady at a cash machine might have a pistol, he said.
Journey, R-Haysville, said criminals tend to take up less-confrontational crimes such as car theft after concealed carry laws pass.
That doesn't convince the opposition, which includes state law enforcement groups, city governments and schools.
Though not all the groups oppose the legislation outright, many want changes to greatly alter the bill.
The League of Kansas Municipalities wants to maintain local regulation of firearms, meaning gun laws could vary across the state.
For example, Wichita has a waiting period for gun purchases; laws that ban carrying a concealed gun, loaded or not; and a law against carrying a loaded weapon even if it is in plain sight.
The Kansas National Education Association asked that guns be barred not only from schools but also from all school- or college-sponsored activities.
Kelly Johnston, chairman of Safe State Kansas, opposes the proposal altogether.
He worries that Senate Bill 418 could pair with House Bill 2577, which blocks civil and criminal action in cases in which residents use deadly force against someone breaking into their houses.
Johnston said violent crime is down statewide and across the nation.
"Conceal carry has had nothing to do with it," he said. "That's a bogus, specious argument."
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/13800816.htm?source=rss&channel=kansas_news
The proposal -- similar to one Sebelius vetoed last year -- would allow some Kansans to carry concealed guns.
BY BRENT D. WISTROMEagle Topeka bureauTOPEKA -
Reloaded and trying to avoid a repeat of last year, gun advocates have returned with a bill that would let qualified Kansans carry hidden firearms.
This year's legislation is almost identical to the proposal Gov. Kathleen Sebelius vetoed last year. And, unless the bill changes, her aides said, it's likely to get blocked again.
But some legislators think the upcoming election could put more pressure on Sebelius to sign Senate Bill 418. The Senate Federal and State Affairs Committee is expected to move the proposal to the Senate floor Tuesday.
Even if Sebelius vetoes the bill this year, Rep. Candy Ruff said, backers of the bill will work to secure enough votes to override a veto. A two-thirds vote of both the Senate and the House is necessary to override a veto.
"This is a bill that's going to become law one way or another," Ruff, D-Leavenworth, said. She is a leading supporter of the proposal.
Except for the upcoming elections, the concealed carry debate echoes what Kansans have heard for years.
This week, many of the same lobbyists offered the same arguments and studies as last year.
When it was over, the chairman asked whether anyone had questions.
Sen. John Vratil, R-Leawood, said he had a question that hadn't been answered: If carrying guns deters violence, why wouldn't having that firearm exposed be better than having it hidden?
Sen. Phil Journey, a long-time gun advocate and former president of the state's National Rifle Association affiliate, said concealed weapons are better because they keep criminals guessing. They never know whether the little old lady at a cash machine might have a pistol, he said.
Journey, R-Haysville, said criminals tend to take up less-confrontational crimes such as car theft after concealed carry laws pass.
That doesn't convince the opposition, which includes state law enforcement groups, city governments and schools.
Though not all the groups oppose the legislation outright, many want changes to greatly alter the bill.
The League of Kansas Municipalities wants to maintain local regulation of firearms, meaning gun laws could vary across the state.
For example, Wichita has a waiting period for gun purchases; laws that ban carrying a concealed gun, loaded or not; and a law against carrying a loaded weapon even if it is in plain sight.
The Kansas National Education Association asked that guns be barred not only from schools but also from all school- or college-sponsored activities.
Kelly Johnston, chairman of Safe State Kansas, opposes the proposal altogether.
He worries that Senate Bill 418 could pair with House Bill 2577, which blocks civil and criminal action in cases in which residents use deadly force against someone breaking into their houses.
Johnston said violent crime is down statewide and across the nation.
"Conceal carry has had nothing to do with it," he said. "That's a bogus, specious argument."
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/13800816.htm?source=rss&channel=kansas_news
Robert J McElwain
Member
This afternoon, the Kansas Senate passed bill #418, the Personal and Family Protection Act, by a veto proof margin of 29 to 11
It now goes to the House where a veto proof margin is less certain. And then on to Governor Sebelius, where a veto is fairly certain unless she has an epiphany.
Any help anyone can provide will be appreciated. Emails from everywhere seem to be effective.
Bob
texascarl
Member
Roll call Senate vote on 418
http://www.kctv5.com/Global/story.asp?S=4482323
REPUBLICANS VOTING YES
Pat Apple, Louisburg.
Jim Barnett, Emporia.
Karin Brownlee, Olathe.
Terry Bruce, Hutchinson.
Les Donovan, Wichita.
Jay Scott Emler, Lindsborg.
Tim Huelskamp, Fowler.
Nick Jordan, Shawnee.
Phil Journey, Haysville.
Carolyn McGinn, Sedgwick.
Steve Morris, Hugoton.
Kay O'Connor, Olathe.
Ralph Ostmeyer, Grinnell.
Peggy Palmer, Augusta.
Mike Petersen, Wichita.
Roger Pine, Lawrence.
Dennis Pyle, Hiawatha.
Derek Schmidt, Independence.
Mark Taddiken, Clifton.
Ruth Teichman, Stafford.
Dwayne Umbarger, Thayer.
Susan Wagle, Wichita.
Dennis Wilson, Overland Park.
REPUBLICANS VOTING NO
Barbara Allen, Overland Park. Pete Brungardt, Salina. Roger Reitz, Manhattan. Vicki Schmidt, Topeka. Jean Schodorf, Wichita. John Vratil, Leawood. David Wysong, Mission Hills.
Democrats VOTING YES
Jim Barone, Frontenac.
Mark Gilstrap, Kansas City.
David Haley, Kansas City.
Anthony Hensley, Topeka.
Laura Kelly, Topeka.
Chris Steineger, Kansas City.
Democrats VOTING NO
Donald Betts, Wichita. Marci Francisco, Lawrence. Greta Goodwin, Winfield.
Janis Lee, Kensington.
Many thanks, yea votes.
For Nay votes - We'll all review where you went wrong just before next election.
http://www.kctv5.com/Global/story.asp?S=4482323
REPUBLICANS VOTING YES
Pat Apple, Louisburg.
Jim Barnett, Emporia.
Karin Brownlee, Olathe.
Terry Bruce, Hutchinson.
Les Donovan, Wichita.
Jay Scott Emler, Lindsborg.
Tim Huelskamp, Fowler.
Nick Jordan, Shawnee.
Phil Journey, Haysville.
Carolyn McGinn, Sedgwick.
Steve Morris, Hugoton.
Kay O'Connor, Olathe.
Ralph Ostmeyer, Grinnell.
Peggy Palmer, Augusta.
Mike Petersen, Wichita.
Roger Pine, Lawrence.
Dennis Pyle, Hiawatha.
Derek Schmidt, Independence.
Mark Taddiken, Clifton.
Ruth Teichman, Stafford.
Dwayne Umbarger, Thayer.
Susan Wagle, Wichita.
Dennis Wilson, Overland Park.
REPUBLICANS VOTING NO
Barbara Allen, Overland Park. Pete Brungardt, Salina. Roger Reitz, Manhattan. Vicki Schmidt, Topeka. Jean Schodorf, Wichita. John Vratil, Leawood. David Wysong, Mission Hills.
Democrats VOTING YES
Jim Barone, Frontenac.
Mark Gilstrap, Kansas City.
David Haley, Kansas City.
Anthony Hensley, Topeka.
Laura Kelly, Topeka.
Chris Steineger, Kansas City.
Democrats VOTING NO
Donald Betts, Wichita. Marci Francisco, Lawrence. Greta Goodwin, Winfield.
Janis Lee, Kensington.
Many thanks, yea votes.
For Nay votes - We'll all review where you went wrong just before next election.
Standing Wolf
Member in memoriam
Well done, Kansans!
Zundfolge
Member
Gotta love Kansas where more Republicans will vote against CCW than Democrats
Lets see how it does in the house before the Governess vetos it.
Then lets see how the override goes ... THEN I'll celebrate
Would be nice to be able to carry legally when I go back to Wichita to visit the 'rents.
Lets see how it does in the house before the Governess vetos it.
Then lets see how the override goes ... THEN I'll celebrate
Would be nice to be able to carry legally when I go back to Wichita to visit the 'rents.
beerslurpy
member
Good work storming the castle.
Well now that's just typical, Republicans of very affluent, very white Johnson County vote no:
Barbara Allen, Overland Park, John Vratil, Leawood, David Wysong, Mission Hills.
While right next door to Johnson County are the Democrats of rather poor and quite Black Kansas City, Kansas and they vote yes:
Mark Gilstrap, Kansas City.
David Haley, Kansas City.
Chris Steineger, Kansas City.
Go figure.
Barbara Allen, Overland Park, John Vratil, Leawood, David Wysong, Mission Hills.
While right next door to Johnson County are the Democrats of rather poor and quite Black Kansas City, Kansas and they vote yes:
Mark Gilstrap, Kansas City.
David Haley, Kansas City.
Chris Steineger, Kansas City.
Go figure.
mordechaianiliewicz
Member
Zundfolge said:The thesis of which was "Kansas is not liberal enough!"
Good luck Kansas ... don't expect you'll get it (and even if you do I'm not moving back
I enjoyed What's Wrong with Kansas. It shows why Dems ain't gettin' votes. To quote Firefly, "You mettle. You're in their Homes, and in their heads, and you haven't the right."
As long as the dumb Dems suggest stupid social engineering laws, that "silent majority" will vote against them. Yeah, corporations are dangerous. But the government historically is more dangerous, and until the Dems realize this isn't a 3rd World Country, and corporations aren't starving people (just not paying what they could, or should) people will vote their conscience on abortion and guns, they won't win outside of East and West Coast bastions of the far left.
As far as Kansas goes, maybe I might have to change my location markings... I live only a stone's throw from JoCo, Kansas, the cause of the problems. Johnson County Republicans and limousine liberals have alot in common: Fear of the common man armed. Hopefully, we'll see a change, and ccw being legal. Some of my family lives in Wyandotte County (also called Crimedot), and I would feel alot better having my pistol in that area of town.
ksnecktieman
Member
For anyone that does not remember. When Sebelius first ran for governor, she was supported by the NRA. The previous governor (Graves?) Had vetoed a ccw bill. I voted for her that first time. She promptly vetoed ccw, and I have voted against her each time since (2? or 3? times). She gets email from me with each attempt. One year I took a half day off of work to join Candy Ruff on the south steps of the capitol to show support for Ruff's ccw bill. I was ashamed of the poor showing of supporters. Maybe forty of us had shown up.
As far as NRA help. I think the NRA has bigger fish to fry. I have been a member for a long time, and I do not think they have even sent members an alert when this issue is coming up. I suspect they will not understand why they are losing membership in Kansas.
I will vote against Sebelius again. I hope her veto can be overcome.
I will email my poly critters, again, I saved their addresses last time.
As far as NRA help. I think the NRA has bigger fish to fry. I have been a member for a long time, and I do not think they have even sent members an alert when this issue is coming up. I suspect they will not understand why they are losing membership in Kansas.
I will vote against Sebelius again. I hope her veto can be overcome.
I will email my poly critters, again, I saved their addresses last time.
Robert J McElwain
Member
It proves there is no clarity in party lines. Both the Republicans and the Democrats have there share of "Limousine Liberals" and both parties have their share of interplanetary thinkers. "Space Cadets."
I think I'm switching to Libertarian. I don't think they've been corrupted yet.
Bob
- Status