"Katrin"; All you SHTFers!

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We've got some floor space & plenty of yard space for tents (provided if needed) if anyone needs to evac this far north (Cincinnati area). PM for details.

Good luck to all in her path :( .
 
As an Oil industry worker, I would guess that the production in the eastern central gulf will be "off-line" for a few days to weeks. The problem is if the pipelines get damaged and the power for the pumping stations. This could be in big trouble. I don't explore the gulf like I did a decade ago, but I do know that there is a lot of production in the path of that storm and I bet everyone of the workers are already off or moved over to the western gulf. Also remember the western gulf is more "gassy" and the eastern is more "oily" so the impact will be on the oil side.

Also what about the offloading facilities for the international crude? That will be a problem. The loss of the refinery would be an issue, but think about the labor to run it. Even if the refinery is "up" are you going to bus everyone in for a shift? What about the subs etc. What about parts? What about water, food etc for the refinery crews?

Having riden out 2 hurricanes in the gulf aboard ship it is not fun by any stretch of the imagination. I took this picture from my cabin during "Barry" I was 5 m of the water line. We were in the pre-storm swell and it was running about 7 to 10 m seas.

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I will put it to ya this way. Today, even though I live in Houston and am not impacted at all by the storm (other then excessive i-10 traffic) I filled up every Jerry can I had (7 of them), filled all my propane tanks, I filled up both cars. I got some extra oil for the generator. I paid $2.39 a gallon and I expect the price to be at least 20 cents higher per gallon by monday afternoon. I would not be surprised to see 50 cents by tuesday if we lose a few pipelines, offloading facilities and maybe a refinery or two.

Oh yeah, and a holiday of driving is coming......


Whats the worst case? I wasted about an hour of my sunday and I will burn up the fuel in a few weeks when I see things settle out.

Whats the best case? I have about 100 gallons of gas, 120 lbs of propane, and plenty of oil for the camper and generator. Add that to the MRE's and filters for the water purifier we are in good shape.


ps: to all the rest of us on the gulf coast. Remember we are not even to the peak of the season. :)

pps: to you all who have to take the brunt of it. I will truly pray for you. "been there, done that" :eek:
 
I'll give you guys an update from the affected area.

I live in SW Mobile County, Alabama, which is right on the Gulf of Mexico. I work in George County, MS, which is about 25 miles north of Pascagoula.

So far, we been seeing bands of rain and some winds, but nothing yet.

I-10 Eastbound was bumper to fricking bumper for 100 miles at least and every car in the lanes had LA tags.

Supposedly, the Superdome has over 100,000 people wanting to come in, and it's capacity is only 65,000 or so. Looks to be a rough time there. Especially if they keep showing up.

No winds yet, and we are as prepared as we can be. Storm surge shouldn't be a problem as I'm about 10 miles from the Gulf and another 10 miles from Mobile bay, and at an elevated position in the neighborhood.

Prediction even this far east (120 miles or so from NO) is 100-125mph sustained winds and 15-20ft storm surge.
 
You hit my concerns on the head. If you don't evacuate early you are going to ride this thing out in your car on I-10.

I cannot think of a worst place to experience a cat-5! :what:


If the next one goes for Houston, unless I can get out early, I am staying!
 
All people going into the stadium are having their belongings searched !! The rule is no weapons !!!
 
All people going into the stadium are having their belongings searched !! The rule is no weapons !!!
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And no EtOH. On one hand, it makes a measure of sense. Large numbers of frightened, possible desperate people. Add EtOH and weapons = bad situation. On top of what is looking to be a VERY bad situation.

Listening to Fox news, they state that the Superdome is rated to withstand 135 pmh winds. But that the winds out of Katrina are much faster, and there is the issue of all the buildings that have gone up downtown. And the possible storm surge of 20+ feet.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for all the folks in that path of this storm.
 
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Check this out!


THE BIG ONE
A major hurricane could decimate the region, but flooding from even a moderate storm could kill thousands. It's just a matter of time.

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"A stronger storm on a slightly different course -- such as the path Georges was on just 16 hours before landfall -- could have realized emergency officials' worst-case scenario: hundreds of billions of gallons of lake water pouring over the levees into an area averaging 5 feet below sea level with no natural means of drainage. "
"That would turn the city and the east bank of Jefferson Parish into a lake as much as 30 feet deep, fouled with chemicals and waste from ruined septic systems, businesses and homes. Such a flood could trap hundreds of thousands of people in buildings and in vehicles. At the same time, high winds and tornadoes would tear at everything left standing. Between 25,000 and 100,000 people would die, said John Clizbe, national vice president for disaster services with the American Red Cross."

I wonder how many gators are in Lake Ponchatrain.......
 
They estimate that about 10,000 people will try and use the Superdome as a shelter spot. If the water floods 20 feet to sea level (not including storm surge or anything else), won't that just make the Dome a death trap as water floods in? I doubt the facility is water tight.
 
Somewhat off topic, but..the offers to house/provide shelter/food to strangers on this board in the path of this natural disaster to other strangers on this board reminds me how gracious the American people really are.

God bless everyone of you.
 
Speaking of which....I'm just North of the Va_WVa border on I-77 w/ 5 acres and a full basement. E-mail me. BTW: the house is for sale, 4BR, 2 bath brick ranch w/ attached 2car. Bring your own food and ammo.

God bless those in the path.
Stay safe.
Bob
 
They estimate that about 10,000 people will try and use the Superdome as a shelter spot. If the water floods 20 feet to sea level (not including storm surge or anything else), won't that just make the Dome a death trap as water floods in? I doubt the facility is water tight
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Not 10,000. 100,000+. The Dome ran out of space probably earlier today, only having a seating capacity of 69,000 people. From what I understand, there are still people in line waiting to get in.
 
Also, to give everyone an update here:

Still have power, although I've taken the dish down. Rain and winds are sporadic, but picking up in intensity. I just shimmed the back door to keep it from flying open during the storm.

I picked up my 4wd from my parent's house earlier today, so hopefully if the roads are too bad I'll have a way to get around.

I've got 4 books and a bunch of guns to clean, so that should keep me occupied for about 2-3 days without power. With Ivan, I went 5 days without power, which were quite frankly, 5 of the longest days of my life.

You have no idea how hard it is to sleep with the windows open, no power, 90 degree, 90% humidity nights, and every last one of your neighbors has a generator running full blast not more than 75 feet away in every direction.

I don't think I got more than two hours of sleep a night that first week. When the power finally came back on at 4am on the sixth night, I literally lept out of bed, danced a jig, turned the a/c onto a testes freezing temperature, cut on every fan in the house, and slammed the windows shut.

I slept like a log that night :)
 
Not 10,000. 100,000+. The Dome ran out of space probably earlier today, only having a seating capacity of 69,000 people. From what I understand, there are still people in line waiting to get in.
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Guy on Fox earlier said there's plenty of room. The lines outside have pretty much disappeared.
 
If any THRs there choose to stay, get some fresh water gathered up! And have a boat ready, and a backup boat or raft. But getting out would be even better. This is gonna be bad. As per usual during such catastrophies, 2 points rear their ugly heads: (a) making an evacuation *mandatory* is WRONG - people should be free to take an unwise course of action in the United States of America, if they so choose, and (b) if there are some of those idiotic 'anti-gouging' laws in LA, then of course people will die from lack of water because the law will keep the entrepeneurs at home, instead of working gathering supply lines for and selling water, thus saving lives, for the profit motive. Anyone know if LA has such laws? And if there's a 28 or 30 foot lake covering the city, how are the people in the superdome's lower seat areas gonna deal with that - it's not a watertight building is it?
 
Clean, load, and ready your weapons right now. Looters will be coming soon.
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Not in New Orleans they won't... Anyone who isn't in a decent shelter (and many of those who are) will be dead by this time tomorrow. The LSU disaster preparedness team is saying that with Katrina still veering slightly west at this hour (its course is still NNW), it's most likely that the New Orleans city bowl will be filled with water from levee to levee, east to west, south to north. Basically, you'll have a pool of highly toxic polluted water up to 25 feet deep, with nothing showing above the surface except taller buildings. More than 50% of residential, industrial and commercial properties will no longer exist, and the rest will be severely damaged. There will be no electricity, no transport apart from helicopters and boats, and massive risks to those in the area from toxic pollutants, alligators and snakes swept into the city from outlying areas, etc.

Looting? That's the least of your worries!
 
Preacherman, let's hope you're not right - but of course you may be. Sure hope the disaster preparedness teams and relief agencies (FEMA, etc) are ready to go with plenty of boats and supplies (meds, food, water, etc.). Although the water and winds (debris and collapsing structures) are far more deadly than anything else, as you mention, it may not be a bad idea to have your gator and snake loads ready, if anyone chooses to stay. They shoulda called this one "Lorena". It'll be interesting to hear stories of people using their "bugout vehicles" to circumvent the parking lots on the highways in LA & MS, if any.
 
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