Keep Protecting The Wolves?

[Fine Figure of a Man]

Wisconsin pays owners well for livestock and pets killed by wolves. Fair market value for livestock and up to $2500 each for pets.

1. "Sorry about you lost your calf sir but there is no evidence that wolves were responsible" Wisconsin DNR
2. How is fair market value or $2,500 'Paying owners well'?

.is that supposed to be some form of of derogatory comment? Personal attacks are not allowed here.

Of course it isn't and I have no idea why you interpreted it that way.

No where in this thread have I said anything about not killing wolves legally.

Neither did I.
People can, do and will continue to take care of problems on or near their own property.
I doubt any will care if it makes them a poacher in your eyes.

 

[bearcreek]

Neither did I.
People can, do and will continue to take care of problems on or near their own property.
I doubt any will care if it makes them a poacher in your eyes.

Several others have though. I'm sort of surprised this thread has stayed open for as long as it has. Most of the time the mods here are pretty picky about folks discussing illegal activities.

 

[Fine Figure of a Man]

Several others have though. I'm sort of surprised this thread has stayed open for as long as it has. Most of the time the mods here are pretty picky about folks discussing illegal activities.

The discussion is about reality.

 

[bearcreek]

The discussion is about reality.

I'm obviously aware of that. I live smack dab in the middle of wolf country in the lower 48. What I meant was there are multiple posts in this thread where folks are straight up advocating for violating state and federal law. Agree with it or not, that sort of thing doesn't normally fly on this forum.

 

[Fine Figure of a Man]

Agree with it or not, that sort of thing doesn't normally fly on this forum.

I find it somewhat amusing that a largely pro 2A forum has so little regard for the 1st.

 

[bearcreek]

I find it somewhat amusing that a largely pro 2A forum has so little regard for the 1st.

I'm often not happy with the moderation either, but that has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment. The Bill of Rights restricts the government, not individuals or private companies.. As far as I'm aware, this forum is not government owned, which means that the 1st Amendment doesn't apply.

 

[Hunter 08]

Some states have well above the limit was set for wolf packs. I think double in ssome states. At the moment they are labeled as Least Concerned on the endangered species list.

Far as them attacking white tail or other deer, I'm more concerned with CWD wrecking deer than wolves.

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[RetiredUSNChief]

Sorry but it's stupid for all the hipsters in Denver to vote to re-introduce wolves when they're not the ones that have to live with them and make a living in their habitat. To intentionally add an apex predator where they haven't existed in years because some folks have a starry-eyed delusion about them is insane.

Yeah...the issue here is that they're not reintroducing wolves into areas where people DON'T have a vested interest in, such as residential areas, farming areas, resort areas, etc.

Wolves gotta wolf...introducing them into areas willy-nilly because "gotta restore the habitat" while ignoring the rest of the habitat that has to support them is insane. Just as insane as expecting them to co-exist without issue with farmers and people.

And wolves, contrary to what many think of them, are NOT dogs. Neither are wolf/canine cross-breeds.

 

[Fine Figure of a Man]

As far as I'm aware, this forum is not government owned, which means that the 1st Amendment doesn't apply.

None of our constitutional rights apply to this forum, and we aren't even supposed to talk about it here.

This thread reminds me of "Cecil" the lion. Remember that?
Guess how popular "Cecil" was among the local population.

 

[jmorris]

A Chicken maybe. if she was hungry enough. She's a Family member.

Dogs that have or are killing chickens are the only ones that I have shot. If Rover means a lot to you keep a collar on them to show that there is someone he or she belongs to, before you let it roam. Might not always save it's life but I have never shot a collared dog.

FWIW Coyotes, bobcats and hawks kill to eat. Might be one spot of feathers, from the single animal they took. Domestic dogs seem like they are there just for the fun. Looks like a pillow factory got hit by a tornado and the bodies left where they were once the fun was taken out of them. As above, they always come back, when they do they stay forever.

 

[bearcreek]

None of our constitutional rights apply to this forum, and we aren't even supposed to talk about it here.

This thread reminds me of "Cecil" the lion. Remember that?
Guess how popular "Cecil" was among the local population.

You keep mentioning "the local population". I'd like to point out, again, that I am part of "the local population". Not all of the "local population" is interested in totally eliminating a native species. Many would like to see solid management strategies, just like with any other game species.

 

[Fine Figure of a Man]

You keep mentioning "the local population". I'd like to point out, again, that I am part of "the local population". Not all of the "local population" is interested in totally eliminating a native species. Many would like to see solid management strategies, just like with any other game species.

Referring to the local population in Zimbabwe that live in constant fear of lions.

As far as wolves in Wisconsin or any other well populated area in this country, "the law" and this thread won't change a thing.
A 22 rim fire in the gut will. I neither endorse or condemn it. I am just acknowledging reality.

 

[bearcreek]

Referring to the local population in Zimbabwe that live in constant fear of lions.

I misunderstood I guess. I thought you were comparing that local population to the local population in the US where wolves are present.

As far as wolves in Wisconsin or any other well populated area in this country, "the law" and this thread won't change a thing.
A 22 rim fire in the gut will. I neither endorse or condemn it. I am just acknowledging reality.

In a micro sense, perhaps. A few wolves killed illegally isn't going to change anything at a population level though. The wolves were eliminated before by full time, government employed "trappers" using poison. Baring that method, they won't be eliminated again. Killing the occasional wolf illegally might make some folks feel good, and in specific cases of active predation might make a difference on an individual level, but in the grand scheme of things, folks'd be better off putting their energy towards pushing for responsible management. It works. Poaching, generally speaking, is just going to hinder that effort.

 

[Fine Figure of a Man]

Is anyone comforted by the possibility of being reimbursed $2500 if a wolf kills your dog in Wisconsin?

 

[Highland Lofts]

If i could get $2,500 per dog from a wolf kill i would empty out the dog shelters and let the wolves have at them.

 

[jmorris]

Is anyone comforted by the possibility of being reimbursed $2500 if a wolf kills your dog in Wisconsin?

Might be more likely to win the megtrillions lottery than having that happen and being able to prove it.

I guess if they get as bad as hawks are around here, it becomes more likely.



If they would do that for chickens....I'd have a bigger incubator.

 

[Highland Lofts]

Yep, let them pay for their protected predators.

 

[HHollow]

Wolf tags in Montana are/were about $20, with a limit if 10 tags per hunter. More tags are possible for professionals and ranchers.

Out of staters are charged the exorbitant fee of $25 per tag when purchased along with other big game tags.

I think the MT state legislature had a quota of a little more than 300 wolves taken each year.

No wolves live in my AO. There have been some seen in the last decade but they quickly disappear.

 

[bearcreek]

Resident wolf tags here are $13.75/each with no limit on number of tags. Non-resident tags are $31.75/each, also with no limit on number. So for the folks in this thread who are real passionate about killing wolves, you can do it legally fairly cheap if you're so inclined. Most inexpensive big game animal for non-residents to hunt by far.

 

[Highland Lofts]

Good the more filled tags the better it is for the deer & elk herds

 

[bearcreek]

Good the more filled tags the better it is for the deer & elk herds

The biggest problem for the deer and elk herds around here is the number of ATV's, UTV's and roads.

 

[Highland Lofts]

Then the state should shut the woods and trails down to these atvs, utvs, motorcycles and other off roaders like washington state and new york state does.
1st time a time, 2nd time jail time and impound there property,

 

[H&Hhunter]

Is anyone comforted by the possibility of being reimbursed $2500 if a wolf kills your dog in Wisconsin?

I’ve got a Spinone pup that I paid $2600 for and just dropped another $2500 on with a trainer. He’ll probably have at least another $1500 in training before the year is over.

I won’t take him anywhere near wolf country to hunt. Wolves will immediately kill any K9 they encounter within their hunting range. That is not the wolf’s fault, that’s just a wolf doing what wolves do.

But to answer your question no I would not be happy being reimbursed only $2500 for my bird dog.

 

[buck460XVR]

As far as wolves in Wisconsin or any other well populated area in this country, "the law" and this thread won't change a thing.
A 22 rim fire in the gut will. I neither endorse or condemn it. I am just acknowledging reality.

....but, by condoning it, you are endorsing it. By not condemning it, you are endorsing it. That too is reality. Would you do the same if your neighbors were spotlighting and shooting deer at night?

Funny how everytime one of these types of threads comes up, the ol' ".22 rimfire in the gut" phase comes out. As if some get some kind of sick satisfaction thinking of the suffering of an animal. Again, how many would do the same for a deer?

Killing the occasional wolf illegally might make some folks feel good, and in specific cases of active predation might make a difference on an individual level, but in the grand scheme of things, folks'd be better off putting their energy towards pushing for responsible management. It works. Poaching, generally speaking, is just going to hinder that effort.

I agree. Responsible management of both prey and predators in reality, is the only real way to make it work within the confines of human cohabitation.

Is anyone comforted by the possibility of being reimbursed $2500 if a wolf kills your dog in Wisconsin?

$2500, while not a comfort, is compensation. Similar to if a tornado or fire totally destroys your home and family heirlooms. It will cover the replacement, but not the memories.

I won’t take him anywhere near wolf country to hunt. Wolves will immediately kill any K9 they encounter within their hunting range. That is not the wolf’s fault, that’s just a wolf doing what wolves do.

Having lived and hunted within the confines of six different packs here in central Wisconsin, there are times if I want to hunt birds, I need to go there. Yet to lose a bird dog. Bird dogs trained to hunt within shotgun range are not really at risk. What are at risk is hounds that run long distances from their owners or dogs allowed to run at large. Both of these are well known risks and are generally more the fault of the owner, than wolves. For many houndsmen, the loss of a dog occasionally is just "the cost of doing business". The risk of them crossing a road and getting hit by a car when in pursuit, is just as large of a risk, and would not be compensated.

...and H&H is correct, wolves do what wolves do. Is how they kill ugly? Of course it is, no different than any other predator killing prey. But, while they do prey on game animals we hunters like to pursue, and receive hate from many, their kills are no uglier than many form legitimate hunters. Deer and elk hunters need to realize that they are not the only entity out there. For every hunter that wants all the wolves killed, there is a wildlife enthusiast that wants to see and hear them in the wild. Go north of HWY 10 here in the state and go into most any sporting goods store. The only thing more numerous that t-shirts and sweatshirts with wolves on them are ones with loons on them. Like the wolves, Loons were once almost eradicated form the state because of the game fish they preyed on. Most northern resort towns have an outfitter that guides for deer hinting, that also guides for wolves. Not only to hunt, so that non-hunters can see and hear them. They are a money maker here, no different that deer and Muskies. That too is reality.

 

[Highland Lofts]

Just like every faction in life every one has their own personal views. From far right to far left and many in between. I happen to be far right and would love to see the wolves totally taken out of existance.