Do not manifest such a thing!excited about this as I would be a HiPoint 5.7.
5.7 is usually a blowback, right? I don't think Hi Point could make the slide light enough and last long enough to ensure it would cycle.Do not manifest such a thing!
Besides the P-32 and maybe the SU and PLR rifles/pistols, Kel Tec has improved their triggers significantly. Their designs from the 90s and 00s were all following the heavy trigger is safer philosophy and thankfully that is no longer something they do for new designs going back to the KSG I believe.I owned a P-11 years ago. It worked, but wasn't the most refined gun in the world. Seriously bad trigger
Some of the 9mms and 10 mms get good reviews. The latter for a good bear gun (LOL). The Yeet Cannons not so hot.Do not manifest such a thing!
So does a stripper clip get around those pesky mag capacity infringements? Suppose it depends on how the infringement was written.
So does a stripper clip get around those pesky mag capacity infringements? Suppose it depends on how the infringement was written.
Kel-Tec has had their issues, but they innovate in ways that few do and deserve credit for it.hmmm... Keltec always looking to answer the questions nobody asked.
Kel-Tec has had their issues, but they innovate in ways that few do and deserve credit for it.
For example, they pushed the boundaries of size and weight in a pocket pistol with the P-32 and P-3AT. Five years later, Ruger then made the LCP (and later LCP2 and LCP Max). The original LCP looks awfully similar to the P3AT.
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The Sub2000 preceded other folding 9 mm PCCs, like the S&W M&P FPC. The KSG also preceded some other bullpup shotguns, like the S&W M&P 12.
The FN Five Seven is/was a high capacity, low recoil gun that was fun to shoot, but was expensive and fired an expensive caliber that was not widely available at the time. I assume the P30 was inspired by that to replicate the capacity, recoil, and fun factor in a more widely available caliber that was still more potent than .22 LR. Fast forward a few years, and now PSA, Ruger, S&W, and Tisas all make pistols that compete with the FN Five Seven at a much lower price point, the ammo for which has also come down in price and up in availability.
While it's popular on gun forums to disparage Kel-Tec for their QC, some of which is deserved, their innovation seems to be noticed, copied, and refined by bigger players, like Ruger & S&W. If you carry an LCP Max, for example, that firearm may not have come into being w/o Kel-Tec.
Personally, I wish more companies innovated like they do, and I think we all benefit from the downstream effects when they're copied by other brands.
Yeah pretty much everyone rips off Keltec. Ruger and S&W most egregiously. Keltec tend to just throw ideas at the wall and like 30% of them are brilliant, but their execution of their own ideas is pretty poor in my personal opinion which is why others take their ideas and do them properly. I really like keltec as a company but they don't make anything I would actually want. I had a P17 which was awful and I do have a Sub2000 in 40 S&W. The Sub2000 serves a utilitarian purpose for me, but it is easily the most unpleasant firearm I've ever fired. It has been 100% reliable though unlike the P17 I had. I would like to try a CP33, I think I would like that.
True. The LCP is nicer looking P3AT. Funny thing about Kel-Tec is that for all the cheesy construction, they sell for more than MSRP when you can find them. Weird.... Keltec tend to just throw ideas at the wall and like 30% of them are brilliant, but their execution of their own ideas is pretty poor in my personal opinion which is why others take their ideas and do them properly.
I have a Sub2000 in 9mm and it's not a pleasant gun to shoot either. Very difficult stock weld, hard recoil for a dinky 9mm, impossible cocking handle. Yet it is 100% reliable and it serves a purpose if you needed a small light folding carbine. Once you add 50 rounds of 9mm ammo in magazines though, it's not so light anymore. Maybe that was the idea behind makingit 5.7mm, plus a lighter recoil spring making cocking easier....I do have a Sub2000 in 40 S&W. The Sub2000 serves a utilitarian purpose for me, but it is easily the most unpleasant firearm I've ever fired. It has been 100% reliable though...
True. The LCP is nicer looking P3AT. Funny thing about Kel-Tec is that for all the cheesy construction, they sell for more than MSRP when you can find them. Weird.
I have a Sub2000 in 9mm and it's not a pleasant gun to shoot either. Very difficult stock weld, hard recoil for a dinky 9mm, impossible cocking handle. Yet it is 100% reliable and it serves a purpose if you needed a small light folding carbine. Once you add 50 rounds of 9mm ammo in magazines though, it's not so light anymore. Maybe that was the idea behind makingit 5.7mm, plus a lighter recoil spring making cocking easier.
The language is often similar to "device . . . capable of holding, or being modified to hold, [more than nn rounds]" (NY & CA are even more restrictive, via their AWBs). The language is meant to encompass clips, open hoppers, even belts and links. Just how that entire range of gizmos and do-jobs are meant to comply with the serialization, uses stamping, and manufacture dating also included in such legislation is never really defined.So does a stripper clip get around those pesky mag capacity infringements?
The FN Five Seven is/was a high capacity, low recoil gun that was fun to shoot, but was expensive and fired an expensive caliber that was not widely available at the time. I assume the P30 was inspired by that to replicate the capacity, recoil, and fun factor in a more widely available caliber that was still more potent than .22 LR.