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Kel Tec KSG abuse and torture

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  1. FIVETWOSEVEN

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    Just found this video about the Kel Tec KSG. I was quite surprised about how well it held up and it looks like they fixed the problems that it had during it's first release. I for one am impressed as how fast and well that USCSOG operator ran the KSG, he fired it like it was a semi auto.

    Now if only they could get them on the shelves at the LGS for a good price....

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  2. JSNAPS

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    pffft. any 590a1 or 870 can do that. Throwing your gun is not a torture test. Shooting it THOUSANDS of rounds no cleaning in REAL combat environments (not indoor prisons) and I will be satisfied
     
  3. oneounceload

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    Are you planning on being destructive to your gun? I guess I don't get the folks who talk about abusing their guns. Many say their guns are nothing more than "tools", but they sure don't treat their Snap-on tools like they say they do their guns
     
  4. TurtlePhish

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    I think the idea of the KSG is that neither the 590A1 or 870 (or almost any other shotgun, for that matter) has 14+1 capacity in a package that's smaller than all of them as well.
     
  5. Flyincedar

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    It might be a small package with a lot of capacity, but its still a horrible gun. We got one, shot it, and sold it as used.

    I wouldn't expect them to come down in price any time soon, either. There's one NIB on this forum for I think $1250. Good price currently, as we sold the used one for $1400, the same day we put it up for sale
     
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    Sorry, but I started laughing after the screen informed me that at no time were to weapons allowed to be loaded. Kinda hard to test the shotgun if you never shoot it.

    I know, typo.

    Just like the one about the NRA Ranger Masters. :)

    Honestly, I'm still having a little trouble with the whole Department of Corrections Special Operations Group thing.

    1:49. Pause the segment right when he takes the KSG from the guy to his left and throws it. Count how many heads the muzzle is pointed at. Yeah, that's a loaded shotgun pointed right at three guys faces. "SPECIAL" operations is right.

    I had to stop watching when they give him the second shotgun because I was convinced I was going to see someone get killed.
     
  7. Robert

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    Wait, Kel Tec made one? Well that's a first.
     
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    Yeah. It's an interesting design and I like what they're trying to do, but it has issues. I wouldn't call it horrible, but it's not great.
     
  9. FIVETWOSEVEN

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    It wasn't to show that it's better but to show that it can stand up to the abuse that a Prison setting could do to it. To a Prison Guard, that is their real combat environment and that's all they need it for.

    Just because something has a rough beginning doesn't mean it is doomed for life from improvements.
     
  10. Flyincedar

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    By that logic, you should hold out until Kel Tec becomes a quality company that actually produces good firearms, and in a quantity that can be purchased by consumers.

    I don't say this just off the cuff. I have owned several, not pre judging any I hadn't owned. All have been crap, at best. They only cost more than junk because they do have some cool ideas, that they can't produce, so what they do make brings a premium.
     
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    We have owned many Kel-Tec handguns - .32; .380, and 9mm. Currently have five. All of them have been flawless right out of the box. I couldn't ask for a better carry piece. If they can refine the KSG to meet the excellence of their other firearms then I really want one.
     
  13. FIVETWOSEVEN

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    Personally I prefer a blued and wood stocked 870 over all other shotguns. Only gun that I have sold that I miss and want to replace more than others.
     
  14. the count

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    That video is a whole bunch of convoluted BS, made to appear like it was some kind of 'evalution' by an elite organization like the seals... P=lease..... I would gladly take a Mossberg 930 SPX or Benelli semi auto any day instead of this plastic toy.

    Mossberg says Have a Nice Day.

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  15. Sam Cade

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    Anyone try to count the short-strokes?
     
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    Why on earth would you do that? ug
     
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    They refer to themselves as "Operators"? Really? The Irishman in me did love the River Dance music though.
     
  18. the count

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    On the totem pole of armed professions prison guards would be one step above armored car guards...with $7.75 an hour watchmen being at the very bottom. :D

    Anyway, getting back on topic, I have 2 KelTec guns. While the craftsmanship is really nothing to write home about, they do get plus points for coming up with interesting ideas.
     
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  20. Dave McCracken

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    the count.....

    During the 20 years I spent in MD's Correctional System, I was a good cop working a very bad neighborhood, oft with indifferent supervision and co workers, to widespread public apathy and dreck like you just spouted.

    I suggest you learn something about Corrections before you spout off again here....
     
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    Why would we do that? Well let's see... It was our money, and we had the intent of keeping it. None of us liked it, so we sold it. Is that an acceptable explanation for you? The guy that paid $1400 used didn't mind, why should you?

    I stopped by the Kel Tec booth in St. Louis at the NRA show, and they had 4 or 5 of them. I made the comment that I had just found every one that had ever been produced. The kid working the booth tried to tell me that they were filling law enforcement and secret service contracts. Right!! I literally laughed at him. And he deserved it
     
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    I have shot a P3AT and loved it for what it was. Good small pistol that was reliable, accurate out to 21 feet, and light weight. I know NOTHING about their shotguns, other than what the internet tells me. I have not seen one in person, and until I do and get a chance to handle it I will reserve judgement.

    I have also known a fair number of correctional officers. The were the cop wanna-be's at the department. They as a rule could not make it through the academy and wound up making just over min. wage, working crazy long hours just to survive. I agree with the statement above about them being just over night watchmen and armored car drivers. I say this as a former armed night watchman (college job). I do not see them being able to punish a firearm like a true special operations operator can, nor a S.W.A.T. member, or a Coast Guard boarding team. Those guys can break an anvil with a glass hammer.
     
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    DAMN! you owe me a keyboard for that!.....Like the SS and others aren't going for the HK PDWs and similar
     
  24. Flyincedar

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    I'll get you a Kel Tec keyboard, so maybe you'll have a new one by 2015 :)
     
  25. Cesiumsponge

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    The guy in the video repeatedly calls their outfit a "tier one" special operations unit of...independent jail contractors? Battle and combat proven?

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    Man, these guys put Tier Two units like the US Army Rangers to shame. Rangers aren't allowed to mount two lights on their shotgun and one more on their helmet like some sort of Archimedean mirror weapon to make combatants spontaneously combust from lumen overload. The media page on their website is laughable.

    The end of the demo video...throwing in a nine banger and shooting everyone on their way up the stairs? :uhoh:
     
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