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Kel-tec PF9

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by jahwarrior, Aug 5, 2007.

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  1. jahwarrior

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    i need some advice. i'm in the market for a new carry piece, and a came across the kel-tec pf9. i just got a new position at work which means i'll be dealing with more suits than sweats, and some of the guys i work with warned me to keep a real low profile if i'm gonna continue to carry. i need something smaller than what i have now, and the kel-tec is just about the perfect size. anyone have any experience with this model, as far as shooting and caring for it? i'm also considering the taurus millenium pro, but the smaller the better. 9mm is about the lowest round i'm willing to go. thanks, y'all.
     
  2. gbelleh

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    I got a PF-9 a couple months ago. After about 500 rounds of FMJ and several magazines of 124 gr +p Golden Sabers, function has been 100%. It kicks hard, but is accurate and reliable. It's more comfortable to carry than a PM9 and holds 8 rounds. Check out www.ktog.org for all the good and bad.

    It isn't the easiest gun to shoot well, and extended shooting sessions will beat up your hand. But, as long as you get a good one, the PF9 is hard to beat as a discreet CCW piece.
     
  3. joesolo

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    look at a rohrbaugh. Very $$$ but the smallest 9MM you can buy. Have a look before you buy anything.
     
  4. muscles

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    id take a look at the kahr pm9 if i were you. its only .02 of an inch wider and 1 oz heavier than the keltec pf9. it is smaller in length and in height. night sights are an option, and there are tons of holsters available.

    the trigger is WAY better on the kahr than the keltec. i can hold great groups at 7 yards with the pm9. i compared the two pistols closely, and went with the pm9 for about 2x the cost. worth it IMHO...
     
  5. 9x19

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    I have a PF9 with the hard chrome finish... it shoots great, and conceals easy.

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  6. The Amigo

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    Mine

    Mine with a factory belt clip installed, Very pleased with mine and with Keltecs lifetime customer service. +P capable 8 rounds no need for safety due to double action. It packs a nice kick due to the small and light weight nature. Very concealable however for pocket concealment I usually carry the P3at with some hot .380 Try to get a hold of second generation models the ones with the New style barrel. Like I said very happy with mine.:D
     

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  7. Papaster

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    I carry the Taurus millennium, and yes, you'll save yourself quite a bit of bulge with the keltec. However, I don't like the Keltec trigger very much. My friend carries one like you are looking at, his conceals real well, but he only treats it as his emergency ticket to get back to the 1911 in his truck. Shoot the Keltec before you buy, as I really thought I wanted this one, but went with the better trigger on the Taurus.
     
  8. MCgunner

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    I can shoot 3.5" groups at 25 with the much maligned P11. If you can shoot DA guns, you can shoot the Kel Tec. I will assure you, it ain't the gun, it is YOU if you ain't accurate with it. It's not a 1911, wasn't intended to be. The trigger is long, but very smooth. I have no problem mowing down 6 out of 7 or 8 shots of 6" steel falling plates at 25 yards. If I can do that, I ain't gonna worry about a man at 7 yards. I can shoot it rather fast, too, though I am faster with my P90 Ruger. But, most of the speed of the Ruger is the longer, easier to acquire sight radius. When I fired the P11 in a couple of IDPA matches, I was only marginally slower with it. I shoot this gun very well and opened some eyes with it at the matches I fired with it.
     
  9. gbelleh

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    The PF-9 has a much better trigger than the P-11. It's long, but very smooth and light. Almost as smooth as the PM9 I used to carry, and lighter and smoother than the PT-145 I used to own and most other similar DAO guns I've had.

    I was very pleasantly surprised by its trigger, having owned and carried a P-11 at one point.
     
  10. ShooterMcGavin

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    jahwarrior, I have been considering the PF-9 as well, so I spent some time over on KTOG.org. I recommend visiting that site. After asking some questions, one of the members who lives close to me offered to let me shoot it at the range. The short review is this... I am now more confident in my plan to purchase one.

    It is a very small, but nicely built piece. It is noticably larger than the P3AT and it does not have the toy-like feel of its tiny sibling. To address your questions....
    Shooting it: Many KTOG members have complained of sharp edges that wear on your hand after a few dozen rounds. KTOG has a how-to for sanding all these rough spots off the grip/trigger. It has a small grip, as you'd expect. If you have fat fingers, you are likely to only fit 2 fingers under the trigger guard (even with the mag extension). I have kinda thin fingers, so I can just barely fit all three fingers under the trigger guard (again, with the mag extension). With regular loads, the little 9mm has a sharper kick than my full-size M&P40. When shooting +P, the recoil is downright harsh. Accuracy is not bad for a gun of its size, but it will never be a fun range gun. Its accuracy is suitable for its intended purpose - close and personal defense. The trigger is just ok; much better than that of the P-11. Again, it is suitable for its intended purpose. If I am defending my life, I will be squeezing the hell out of the trigger, not analyzing the takeup. The trigger does not allow for a short reset; it must be released completely. This has cause failures from some KTOG members in follow-up shots. With such a light weight gun, limp-wristing could also become a problem. The sites on the PF-9 are quite usable for their size - they are made of plastic.
    Caring for it:
    The gun does not like dirt or the heavy packing lube it ships with. Clean it thoroughly when it is new, and often thereafter. It is a "limited use" gun. From what I have read, Kel-tec suggests its life to be about 6000 rounds. Use it enough to keep familiar with it - again, it is not a range gun. From the Kel-tec website: "the PF-9 will accept +P ammunition, however, not with continuous use".

    From reading the KTOG site, it sounds like the gun has become very reliable with the recent updates. It is true that I would probably opt for the Rohrbaugh if money were not an option. However, for the price of the two guns, the Kel-tec seems like the better value.

    The advertised width on Kahr's site does not include the slide stop. The difference in slide widths may be 0.02", but the total width difference is 0.1". With the guns side by side (a picture I saw), the PF-9 is noticably thinner. The attached chart compiles data from owner's, as well as advertised numbers.

    Best of luck.
     

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    I purchased a PF-9 about 2 weeks ago for ccw after carrying a PT-140 Mil Pro for the last three years. I really, really like the PF-9. So thin and light...makes my mil pro feel like a brick. The PF-9 trigger is nicer than the Mil Pro and I thought the Mil Pro had a nice trigger, for a DA weapon. I find the recoil of the 9mm Kel-tec is about the same as the 40 PT-140. The big difference is that the Mil Pro being a double stack is much easier on the hand. All in all I am extreemly please with the PF-9 which will stay on my hip (The Mil Pro stays in the car now) The sucker just disappears in my Tucker IWB. BTW Kel-tec has a lifetime warranty and has a very positive reputation...in fact, I've not read a single negative regarding their service! Whatever you wear out Kel-tec will repair or replace. Not bad for a hard chromed blaster for $299! Man I like this little gun.
     
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    I've been toying with the idea of buying one. A shop near me has a new chrome one for $279. Is that a decent buy?
     
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    Wish i could buy at those prices, I paid $350 for a blued one and there was 2 guys in a list waiting for these to show up:what: then again I live in an island. :banghead:
     
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    The triplets: P3AT, PF9, P32

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    $279 for HC is a very good price!
     
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    This is true. My experience with the heavier P11 trigger is that it feels like a 3 lb tuned 1911 when you're in the heat of the moment and adrenalized. One thing I like about DA after my experience is that you HAVE to WANT to make it fire. Nervousness ain't gonna do it. It has to be intentional.

    I won't carry anything, but DAO in a pocket for safety reasons, anyway, or a DA revolver.
     
  17. Joe Demko

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    I believe I'll run over there tomorrow and lay that puppy away.
     
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    Put half down on it today by phone. Will pick it up next week when I have the chance to actually go to the shop.
    You can never have too many concealable handguns.
     
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    Please post back here with your impressions and experiences!
     
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    I just got a PF-9 today, so I'm joining the club. The workmanship is kind of rough, but that is normal for Kel-Tecs, and doesn't mean it won't be a good reliable gun. I haven't shot it yet, but have five varieties of hollow point ammo to try. I got mine for $269.00 in Chattanooga. Here's a picture:

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    Gents,

    I am looking at one of these to supplement my P3AT for pocket carry. One thing I like about them is the fact that they actually have usable sights (as oposed to my P3AT). Now, here's the question...sure the sights are easy to see, but do they actually hit to point of aim?
     
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    My sights hit to point of aim just fine, as long as I do my part. I don't practice with it beyond 7 or 10 yards, but it's plenty accurate for its purpose and at those ranges. So far, I'm finding it to be the perfect CCW pistol for me.
     
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    The Kahr PM9 is smaller than the PF9, not larger as was stated earlier in this thread. The size difference is why I went with the kahr to begin with. You cant really go wrong either way, IMO
     
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    Just for comparison...

    It's probably not all that important, however I believe that the PF-9 is ever-so-slightly thinner than the PM9. To the best of my knowledge, it's also a tiny bit lighter.
     
  25. Joe Demko

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    Well, I couldn't wait and picked it up yesterday.
    Initial impressions:
    1. The trigger is much smoother and lighter than I expected. It's actually about the same as the trigger on my Keltec .32.:)
    2. What a thin, flat gun!:)
    3. The hard chrome looks nice and the slide itself is nicely made. No external tool marks or other blemishes.:)
    4. Slide-to-frame fit is looser than what I am accustomed to on my other autoloading pistols. The gun isn't a rattletrap, but still.:(
    5. It doesn't like Federal Gold Dot ammo. The design of the bullet is such that, when a round is chambered, the bullet actually engages the rifling. This caused no end of feeding and extracting difficulties.:(
    6. The gun ran 100% with some hardball and a few rounds of other hollowpoint ammo with different bullet profile.:)
    7. After you shoot it a bit, your hand starts to notice.:(
    8. Didn't fire for groups, but had no problems keeping all rounds COM on a chest-sized target at 7 yards firing one-handed.:)
    9. What a thin, flat gun!:)

    The Gold Dot thing spites me. I still have half a box of the stuff left and the only other 9mm I have is a CZ-75 that I use as a range toy.

    Anybody know who has PF9 magazines for cheap? Only one was packed with the gun and I like to have spares. Also, who makes a good pocket holster for it?
     
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