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Kel Tec PF9

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by beeb173, Apr 16, 2012.

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  1. beeb173

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    just shot my new PF9 with parkerized finish. had to pick up the kids so i only had a half hour at the range. had one failure to load out of 50 winchester nato rounds and no problems w/ the winchester PDX 124gr +p. recoil after 70 rounds wasnt too bad even w/ the +p coming at the end. it actually points more naturally for me than my full sized M&P 9. the trigger pull is looooooong but consistant and didnt pull the gun off target like some other less than perfect triggers i've used. as soon as i determine that it's the ammo and not the gun, i'll be using it as my summer carry weapon.
     
  2. Walt Sherrill

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    If you feel it "wasn't too bad," with +P ammo, you are a real glutton for punishment.

    I have a PF9 and like it, but find normal 9mm about all I want to mess with. (I've added KTADDONS' grip materials, and that makes the gun almost civilized.)

    A single failure to feed on the first time out could be attributed to many things.

    (I much prefer the PF9 to the P11. Kel-Tec is supposedly working on a revised gun that has the PF9 trigger and the P11 frame; more rounds and the PF9's better trigger. I suspect that'll be a while, as K-T seems to have its hands full, right now, with new guns.)
     
  3. hardluk1

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    If you would like better control of the grip get a mess'd up skinny inner tube, you know them racey bicicles. Cut several pieces each wider than the first, 1/2" 1" 1 1/2" and slip then now over each other. Sure does help during break in. Go over to KTOG yet and read up in all the info they have there. And yes it does sound like you love abuse if the pf-9 is not bad to shot.
     
  4. RBid

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    PF-9s are notoriously picky eaters. The consensus seems to be, "feed it USA brass", though I have heard of FTEs with WWB enough to stick with Federal as my range round of choice.

    I've put 400 rounds through mine, after getting it 6 weeks ago.

    150 Blazer aluminum. Failed to extract about every 15th round.
    50 WWB. Flawless, for me.
    200 Federal 115 gr FMJ. Zero failures.


    I had a Limbsaver on it for 100ish rounds, but I took it off. I shoot better 1-handed without the sleeve, and this is my CCW/EDC. If you're carrying this gun, look to maximize your results from point blank, to about 20 feet.
     
  5. TxBobS

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    I think KT recommends no +P in it.
     
  6. MachIVshooter

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    Nope, they're GTG with +P. Just not meant for a steady diet of it.

    I've fed mine pretty much everything imaginable, and the only issues I had were with my handloaded 147 gr. +P stuff. They were just too much, causing the firing pin to wipe brass off the primer. The failures were caused by chunks of brass stuck in the FP hole.

    That particular 147 gr. load was clocking 1,190 FPS in my Baby Eagle fullsize. It's warm.
     
  7. beeb173

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    Come to think of it, my right hand is a little numb, lol. I just meant compared to a .357 light weight revolver. It's no pleasure to shoot, that's for sure.

    Also I added the belt clip...REALLY glad I bought that instead of an IWB holster. My iPhone is more of a pain to carry now than my PDW. Makes me smile!
     
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    I've got a Hogue Handall grip sleeve on my P11, was less than 10 bucks. I like it better that way.

    [​IMG]
     
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    not a glutton for punishment but a tight gripper
     
  10. beeb173

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    just got back from another day at the range w/ my PF9. i shot 50 rounds of remington express fmj and 50 rounds of remington express jhp both 115 grain. i had 2 FTE. ugh! i shot my 8 rounds of critical duty w/o problems. i know smaller guns run on 'premium' but isn't remington express the bottom end of quality ammo? it seems considerably shorter than the hornady and winchester rounds. i REALLY want his gun to be reliable because, for me, it is the PERFECT carry gun. back to the M&P until i figure this out.
     
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    My PF-9 runs everything perfect. No hand pain at all.
     
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    I've only got around ~150 rds through mine(20+P) but no issues thus far. It did shake the belt clip loose though.
     
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    I'm good for about 50rd per session with my PF9. For me, it's almost too small for my hand; I have to pay particular attention to my grip (and practice frequently) or it will have problems.
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    Walt, we K-T owners have been begging for that upgrade to the P11 for years! Hope it comes soon.
     
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    Another day at the range w/ 50 Winchester 124gr NATO white box and 25 rounds of critical duty regulars. 3 more FTE including one w/ the hornady. This is getting frustrating. At what point do I stop trying to break this gun in and send it back? It's got about 300 + rounds through it.
     
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    Beeb173, how big is your hand? If it's large, the problem may just be that the pistol is too small for you, and even with your tightest grip might wiggle enough to have function problems. My hands are average, running to large, and I have to clamp down HARD to keep the Little Blaster from squirming under recoil.
    Just a thought.
     
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    my hands are average size.

    i did read a post on http://www.thektog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=235865 saying that its possible im not letting the trigger fully reset. it makes sense due to the long trigger pull. as soon as my hand feels up to another round at the range ill be more aware of my trigger release.
    thanks momano!
     
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    beeb173, you are cleaning it between sessions, right? Some of the ammo choices run kind of dirty, and Federal is reportedly one of them (Remington-UMC is what I run, and that stuff is pretty dirty, too.) At each cleaning, make sure you oil the slide rails, too. That simple measure alone cleared up quite a few failures on both of my Kel-Tec weapons (PF9 and P32.)
     
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    Don't waste any more time, money and ammo. Call KT and they will send you a call tag. Send it back to them. It's the KT way.:rolleyes:

    Their CS is very good.

    Document any and all ammo used and how many failures and what it did not just jammed, spell it out fail to eject or extract, stovepipe etc.

    Been there, done that and stayed in a Holiday Inn Express.
     
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    Sending it in. The gun was firing flawlessly then just seized up. Never even heard of that happening. If it wasn't my fourth mag I would say maybe I reassembled it wrong. I have the Davison replacement warranty but I'm sending this to KelTec. I'd rather have factory refurbished in this case.
    Started recarrying my M&P....what a brick. Hoping KelTec customer support lives up to its reputation.
     
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    Sorry to hear you're having such trouble. I've got 600 rounds through my PF-9, including 100 of my +P carry ammo, and I trust it completely. Practice ammo has been Federal and Remington UMC, and carry ammo is DoubleTap's 124gr. loading with the Speer GDHP. Too bad they quit producing that load.

    One particular day, when I was a glutten for punishment, the extractor spring screw worked loose after about 150 rounds. After tightening the screw, and the addition of some blue Loctite, it was perfect again. Now I check the screw after each range session, and no problems since.

    I will say that the addition of a Hogue Handall Jr. grip sleeve, after trimming a bit with scissors, has helped my shooting tremendously, as has the addition of the factory +1 magazine extension. Those two accessories make the PF-9 into a whole new gun, and prompted me to sell my M&P40 Compact because I found I never carried it any more.

    I wish you well with you new pistol.
     
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    I did like the feel of the mag extension, but noticed during practice drills my pinky would go over it unless I went really slow. Went back to normal mag.
     
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    Sorry folks, the muzzle flip on these things is nothing short of astronomical with normal 9mm. +P would make it even less tolerable.
     
  24. Walt Sherrill

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    I've never noticed the muzzle flip being all that bad, but have felt that the recoil was more unpleasant than I cared for. That's what caused me to use the KTADDONS grip material. It made a big difference.

    (Muzzle flip is sometimes a "technique issue," and sometimes something that can be reduced by getting the baseplate that has a finger extention, giving your hand a better area to grasp.)
     
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    I don't have a problem with the recoil of the PF-9. That may be because I can only get off 3-4 rounds before I have a light strike and have to clear the gun. I bought it used, always a bad thing for me and a handgun, but the last time I counted I had 15 light strikes out of one box of Blazers! Put the round back in the mag and it fired every time.

    Does this sound like a spring, firing pin, dunce of a shooter? Three different types of ammo, WWB, Blazer and Federal JHP with similar results. Crappy photo with a cell phone that wanted to focus on my thumb.
     

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