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Kel-Tec PMR-30... Range Report

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by mesinge2, Sep 10, 2010.

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  1. mesinge2

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    That's why I wait a year or 2 before buying the next must have in some peoples mind pistol.
     
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    What does FTFD mean?
     
  4. PT1911

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    i am assuming he meant FTF, Failure to Feed... though I may be wrong.

    P30shtr is right about the confusion.. interesting way to remedy that I suppose..
     
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    "What does FTFD mean?"- 14miles

    Failure to feed is my guess, I get it, people put FTF and you dont know if it was failure to feed or failure to fire so... he threw the D on the end for clarification. Just my guess.

    PT1911 beat me to it
     
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    The PMR-30, kinda like the car/boat. Sounds like a great idea and a lot of fun but...
    At first it sounds like mag issues but then the AD and the double fires come into play. Jesus Christ man
    I wouldnt touch one of those with a ten foot pole.
     
  7. mesinge2

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    Its upsetting because I was really looking forward to this as a range gun.

    I mean jams and failures to feed can be either ammo or magazine related but the ADs, the double fires, and the eventually disabled gun are more serious issues.
     
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    Personally, I am still interested in getting one. I am in no rush to get one, but it sure as hell beats buying the FN 5.7 (referring to price!)

    When they are more readily available, I will pick one up without hesitation, there are lemons in every batch and that especially applies to a new design!... Once they get the kinks out of the design, I will buy one and enjoy it. If i happen to get one that has some issue, guess what, kel tec has a lifetime warranty and a damn good CS department!

    Just my opinion and intention... I suppose we will see.
     
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    Sounds like a gun-specific issue, possibly in the sear/hammer engagement area.
    I wouldn't write off the model yet, KT has been quite honest about having trouble scaling up from prototype to mass production and they know (and are offering free) that there are some tweaks to be made.

    KT got the pmr30 advertising machine all spun up before they were ready to make full production, and are now paying the price. They are forced to choose between lousy QA or choking production off ... and seem to be striking a bad balance.

    The reviewer did only bring one type of ammo to the range, and isn't seeming to be willing to poke about in the internals ... I'm not calling BS ... but I would bet that a lot of THR members would have pictures of the internals posted with a theory as to the source of the various malfunctions by now, I'll have to check back with the linked thread to see where it goes.

    I'm still cautiously optimistic about the pmr30, it is on my "want" list's back burner for now, it would move to the "need" list if it was available with a .22lr conversion and/or a carbine/"sub-rifle" variant either in the Buckmark built-up pistol style or the sub2000 bare-bones rifle style.
     
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    "Sounds like a gun-specific issue, possibly in the sear/hammer engagement area.
    I wouldn't write off the model yet, KT has been quite honest about having trouble scaling up from prototype to mass production and they know (and are offering free) that there are some tweaks to be made.

    KT got the pmr30 advertising machine all spun up before they were ready to make full production, and are now paying the price. They are forced to choose between lousy QA or choking production off ... and seem to be striking a bad balance.

    The reviewer did only bring one type of ammo to the range, and isn't seeming to be willing to poke about in the internals ...

    I'm still cautiously optimistic about the pmr30, it is on my "want" list's back burner for now, ."-Quote--BFD



    What advertising ? I hadnt heard a thing about this gun before hearing about it on the forums. Thats all the hype I heard. Although I do admit I was intrigued. But not anymore. I know, I know, theres always lemons. LCP, PPK, to name a couple. But AD's, double-fires, that deleted -<Sam> aint cool. And ammo, how could you blame any of that on ammo. Definitely internal/mag issues for sure. And poking around internals, most companys will void warranty's if you poke around/ take deleted -<Sam> appart so I cant blame him there. If anything I would wait a while till they get this pistol sorted out before purchasing, thats for sure. And .22lr wouldnt be too shaby either.
     
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    interesting I believe there was a Grendel (sp) precursor, I saw one, a plastic double stack, and was warned away from it because the double stack wasn't very reliable because it's .22.
     
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    My Grendel was in .380 and it was reliable. I wish I still had it.
     
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    FWIW, the un-reloadable ammo for this pistol is too expensive for me to ever consider buying one.
     
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    Yeah, the firing out of battery or double fire or whatever...that's always been at the back of my mind for rimfire automatics. I mean, if there is a failure to feed, there's a chance it might go off since the bolt may be putting enough pressure on the primer to make it go boom
     
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    Thankfully for him, it's a kel-tec. They'll pay shipping both ways, and work on it, as much as it takes. Even if they have to give him 3 new guns until one of them finally works. Lol.
     
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    I was warned about them from a gun store owner who is very down to earth, he told me a few months ago that they had Mag problems and had gone to a ten rounder, but still had problems in other areas, he also wanted one.
     
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    I've heard nothing about a 10x magazine, any confirmation on that rumor?

    Ah, screw it, I'll just ask KT on their facebook page, and get a real answer.
     
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    I really doubt the 10 rounders.. that would completely defeat the purpose of the gun as a hi-capacity 22mag pistol... The only hi-capacity 22mag on the market.
     
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    Hence the skepticisim ... I don't want to knock gym's shop-owner ... but I know that someone faced with the question of "where the hell is item X" will often pull an answer from [self-redacted].
    Generally it will be composed of varying percentages of truth, rumor, and WAG.
     
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    I'd guess the 10 round magazines are for guns to be sold in AWB states?

    All the complaints because one guys gun, in the first run of production, doesn't work well is rediculous. Wait until they come out to make judgements, don't base decisions on the first review of the first gun out there...
     
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    I hope they work the bugs out... I like the idea of this pistol.
     
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    Kel-Tec's representative on facebook has no idea what gym's gun-shop owner is talking about.

    They have, however, been quite informative on the issues KT is having getting the PMR30 production ramped up to full capacity, so it isn't just a cubicle rat posting nothing but happy thoughts about KT, it seems to be someone knowledgeable about the manufacturing process and logistics down there in FL.
     
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    Well I hope he is right as I was looking to buy one myself when I asked about them. There is a gun show coming up soon in my neck of the woods, will see the gun shop owner from Ft Pierce at that show and confront him about it.
     
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    Well I just did a search and there a so many different excuses as to why this gun insn't out yet. That I would tend to be very leary of the first batch that hit's the shelves, if it does. There are all kinds of stories out there, you can google it yourself and see, but something is not right. I see things from re machining some parts to cancelling production. Of course I don't know the sources of these posts but something is up with them. There are guns around on gunbroker for twice the price they were supposed to be. Which is never a good thing. Guess we will have to wait and see. Sometimes the sales people just have to tell the store owners something, so they make it up.But I will see the guy I spoke to soon and ask him, at the FT pierce show
     
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