Kel-Tec Sub 2000 vs Hi-Point Carbine or other

[Malodorousroadkill]

There are some real advantages for using pistol caliber carbines over rifles, and some real advantages to using rifles too. No such thing as a weapon that is best for everything. Otherwise we wouldn't have pistols anymore. The rifle does have the real edge in power, but its also going have a bit more recoil, noise, and is much more expensive to practice with. I just looked up on j & g sales, mil contract .223, 100rds for $39 and change, while at the local wally world 100rds of .45 ACP fmj is $30, .40 is $25, and 9 is only $16. Also, most of these pistol caliber carbines are going to be very light on the recoil, always good if you got smaller folks around to use them. Not that .223 has much recoil anyway.

 

[foghornl]

I have shot Hi-Point carbines in both 9MM & .40 cals, Like them both, but I want one of the .45ACP carbines....if they ever come out. I had one of the Marlin Camp Carbines in .45 many years back, and sold it in a HUGE moment of foolishness....Something to do with that penchant for store-bought food

 

[asnider123]

I have had my 9mm HP carbine for about 1.5 yrs, always liked it except for the fact that it had a top seam that always pulled out whiskers from my cheek when I used it (painful). Now that I installed the ATI CX-4 clone stock, I am in love again!! Best $50 I have spent in a long time.

 

[Girodin]

Lever action is not an option for the same reason as shot gun - I don't want to leave a loaded gun in my house - even with a safety on. If I did I would get a used 12 gauge pump, cut the barrel down to shortest legal limit, and call it a day.

If you would really rahter have a 12 guage you could look into a saiga 12 shotgun. They have a box magazine and thus your reason for not wanting a shotgun would be solved.

The major draw back to the Saiga is that they are hard to find. Availability is expected to pick up starting in the summer months but right now it is not easily found.

As for the cabines listed. THe hi point is supposed to be very relaible if you can stand to look at it. I would have to put the ati stock on to be able to stand it.

One thing I like about the Kel tec and the reason I will likely get one eventually is that it can take Glock mags including the 33 rounders. The fact it folds is a selling point for me as well.

One thing I like more about the hi point is that one can easily put a red dot on it. I also like that one could easily attach a rail for a light. I believe a light to be essential for a home defense fire arm. The price of the hi point is very attractive as well. Even with a new stock, a couple spare mags, a red dot and a light you have a very affordable fire arm.