Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by Gelgoog, Jan 2, 2011.
When is this gun coming out?
OK 1 Tube slugs, 1 tube Buck ?
I would like to point out its a pump. Reliability....just sayin
When will it be released?
The folks over yonder are keeping tabs on release date rumors: http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?board=500
It's also reported on that site that the production guns will cycle and fire 3" and 2 3/4" shells.
The RFB taught me not to get too excited or amped up over a cool Kel tec product. It was years before they gave a date, then pushed the date back multiple times, then met the date by releasing a very small number of them, early ones had problems and they still haven't really gotten production up and going, I've never actually seen an RFB in a gun shop. My go to LGS got an early one and the owner kept it for himself.
Moral is it will get here when it gets here.
Same thing with the PMR-30, except a recall is messing things up even further.
I have a feeling it will be a while before they will be readily available for an uninflated price.
I've seen several RFBs in local gun stores.
You know, for $2600.
And they sold quickly.
This gun looks great. Keltec is a real innovator and brings alot of fun to their designs. At 26" the bullpup addresses alot of issues for a home defense or traveling gun. The poor performance of a pistol grip, dis function of a folder, or bulk of a full stock is answered with a compact bullpup.
But, I think the 14+1 is too much of a novelty. A single cylinder 7+1 would be plenty. With simpler mechanics its reliability would be greater, (which is the number 1 selling point for pumps) and a price point below 500 would obliterate the home defense mkt.
At least, that is what I am looking for.
Since UTAS has a patent on their version, it will be interesting to see if Keltec made enough changes to avoid patent infringement or if they will produce the UTAS under license
26" is crazy short and handy, I'm looking at my 870 SBS right now and it seems cartoonishly short at 31"
This looks like a must have in my opinion! Kel-tec is really thinking outside the box and coming up with some truly revolutionary ideas in their designs. What is their quality like for their other weapons?
I have never owned one, I have shot some of their pistols though. From my understanding, they are not without problems, but customer service is outstanding. That is why the double tube and selector in my opinion, is too much. Make this a 870 like dependable action, with 7 + 1, and it would be the companies top seller in my opinion.
Well, I for one, own 2 of KT's guns at both ends of the spectrum, a P32 and a PLR-16. Never had an ounce of trouble out of either.
In my mind Kel Tec's quality and reliability is going to have to be an open question. I examined one of the first P32's and was appalled. That model went on, after some changes and improvements, to become a best seller, and I am told they now work. Good. But this KSG thing is the first Kel Tec product I've been interested in since.
You never get a second chance to make a first impression. This is the battle Kel Tec is fighting, whether they realize it or not. Some of the plastic and machining in the first Kel Tecs was Positioned Off Center (POS, for short). While I applaud their innovative spirit I think there is a learning curve in anything.
The KTS answers a question that has been asked for some time, what is the best shotgun you can do, without invoking the mysteries of the NFA? I wish them good luck with it and the first one I see will be examined closely. (Once burned, twice shy.)
This is by no means an anti-Kel Tec screed. Their history is what it is; I want this gun to work because it actually fits purpose I have--maximum shotgun in minimum space.
This gun might be out March of 2045....
Since i visited UTAS Turk office in Antalya last week, I think I'll chime in on UTS-15
From what I got, they plan to start making their "American" version this summer. The gun indeed has 3" chamber, screw-in chokes and can feed alternatively from both magazines, or just from one at a time
Gun (i handled only a prtototype, but it prettyu close to production version) handles pretty well, is easy to load, and easy to monitor in regard to remaining ammo in mag tubes and what magazine is engaged.
Had no chances to shoot it yet, but certainly looking forward to it
Looks cool, if a bit bulky and top-heavy. Also the ejection port is less then ambidextrious.
But I'll bet Kel-Tec get's theirs to market before anyone at UTAS convinces our government that thing has a sporting purpose.
I believe that 'sporting purpose' thing relates mostly to IMPORTED guns, while UTS-15 will be made in USA, from Turkish and US-made components.
It does. I'd assumed that UTAS was making it in Turkey, because they're based there. Just goes to show what assuming gets you.
Make sure they get the memo that when they set up stateside, make sure to run enough electrical power to power all their machines.
The Kel Tec is going to be way cheaper than the UTAS anyway, though. Doesn't the UTAS haev carbon fiber components as well? I can only imagine the price premium. The stuff is already expensive enough on exotic cars.
Still good to have competition/choices, though.
Someone needs to do a semi-auto shotgun in a configuration like this.
I'm guessing that if they did, BATFE would find a reason for banning it.
I guess we'll know in 60 years........that is, if they release it this year.
Why can't American companies make a better shotgun? The Saiga seems like the ideal concept. kel-Tec is very close. I'd like the Kel-tec better if it was semi-auto, tube automatically switched, some sort of indicator of the number of rounds left in tube.
It's simple: create shotguns with dual tubes, auto tube switcher, semi-auto, faster reloads, multiple loads. If Saiga can do it, someone else can too.
People at UTAS told me that they have a semi-auto version of the UTS-15 (which already has features you like except for self-loading) on their drawing boards, literally
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