Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by Gelgoog, Jan 2, 2011.
Wow!!! I don't know which one I want now this or the saiga 12.
Most interesting. I'll be watching this Kel-Tec.
I'd really prefer a semi auto option, but would be happy with a pump model if I could load both tubes and when tube #1 is empty it defaults to tube #2 so could should the 15 shell continuously without manually switching to the second tube.
Get what I'm saying?!?
While I'm a huge fan of the autoloading shotgun and own a Saiga, if given a choice, I'd pick this in a heartbeat
Couldnt have said it any better...
yeah only shottie i ever owned or will own again is semi auto tactical such a Charles Daily or a benny but there so much $$$$. I picked my slr-106f over the SU16 that thing just felt so wrong in my hands. If the price is right i'll get this for sure where else can you get 14+1?
Sorry looks like next time kel-tec
MSRP has not been officially been set, but we are looking at the $800.00 range.
Well you can actually buy a saiga 12 so that is not a very hard choice. You can buy an S12 now and probably have plenty of time to save up for this shotgun, if it is ever brought to market. You even should have a little extra time while you wait for the bugs to be worked out.
Saiga, save that you can have 20+1.
USAS 12 20+1 (although you have paper work and I'd rather have the S12 anyways).
I'll admit this looks very interesting on paper but I am a bit supprised by all of the people falling all over themselves over a totally untested product. Maybe their comments assume that this thing will be as good in real life as they imagine in on paper but that is a fairly large assumption. I think it is an interesting design with a lot of interesting potential but I'd hardly say I prefer it to any proven design.
This reminds me of the RFB, on paper it had everyone drooling, then people started to get them in hand and a host of problems started appearing (not the least of which were multiple accounts of gas blocks exploding). I'll be interested to see A) if and when it comes to the market B) the price point it is selling at C) some real world testing of production units and D) I'd like to actually handle the thing. Prior to the all that happening I'm going to reserve saying it is better than any proven design or heaping on unwarranted praise. Some things have a way of going from the greatest thing since sliced bread to a total bust between prototype design stage and release (See e.g. Masada/ACR).
tested or not, this is a hell of an introduction by keltec! I'll echo a few others and say hats off to them for trying to invent a better mousetrap. I have little interest in a home defense shotgun at this point, as my other guns are working just fine, but I'd buy one of these just to see the look on peoples' faces when I pulled that sub-7 pound pile of awesome out at the skeet range. I'm assuming we're not going to have a removeable choke on this so that it will shoot slugs, but can you imagine the fun in busting some clays next to a group of break-barrel single shot shooters? I'd buy this gun just for the *** factor it would get from other poeple, not to mention how much fun this thing would be. Now...if we can get the ATF to just let me show them how sporting a firearm like this can be...we'll be in business...
No, I fully agree on that point. One of the things I like about kel tec (and I mentioned it earlier in this thread) is that they push the design envelope. I'm simply trying to keep a little perspective before we declare it the greatest shotgun ever.
Very nice concept! No matter who originated it.
KelTec web site says $800 range, so gun stores that can get one will undoubtedly sell it in the $900 range.
Kinda like the Ruger LCP when it first arrived.
$330 MSRP sold for $400, until the factory recall took the wind out of its sails.
KelTec had problems shipping its 22 Magnum pistol because they farmed out barrel heat treating to a vendor who couldn't deliver. I would think that the smart money is to wait until they actually ship mass quantities of this shotgun. Price will go down, quality will go up.
I'm planning on getting in line for one of the first ones to test out.
1. I've got the income.
2. I've already got a pile of 'serious' guns.
3. It looks like fun.
4. I love pump shotguns.
And edited to say that I've already got several 870s and Saigas. It is worth being a beta-tester for the gee-whiz factor on this one. Despite the internet, you don't really know how good something is until you shoot the crap out of it.
I agree with Girodin, right now all we really know is that Kel-Tec is trying to offer an interesting shotgun. There will certainly be kinks in the first run though I imagine it's easier to squeeze reliability out of a pump action than an auto. I imagine the first 870 or 500 run had some kinks... though maybe it didn't. Kel-Tec seems to rush things to press/market.
I have some ergonomic questions on this gun. Is the loading port in a convenient area? Is the distance between pistol grip and foregrip enough to have good leverage on the pump action?
And do I really want a 14+1 shotgun? Not really. I'd rather have 6+1 and a lighter gun.
Wow! This looks like one hell of a range toy. I normally don't enjoy shooting shotguns... but this just looks fun and practical for both the range and HD. Just added this to my list of guns to purchase this year...
I absolutely refuse to pay over MSRP, so it's safe to say I'll be waiting a long time on this one.
If they prove to be reliable and durable I will be likely to get one once supply catches up with demand.
The only hesitation would be California capacity limits. It loses some of its cool factor when you cut down capacity by four rounds.
Though it still looks like it would have unique handling at 26" overall length to justify it anyways.
You wouldn't have to reach very far out to pump it like many pump guns either, the distance from the stock to the pump looks shorter. Making it easier to manipulate for everyone, but especially those of smaller stature. It should be easy for everyone in a family to operate.
The muzzle much closer to the face though is going to increase perceived muzzle blast. Might want a face shield for it.
I might feel a need to add some metal around the chamber on the appropriate side though, just to make me feel comfortable about having the cartridge ignited next to my head. That way in the case of a catastrophic failure the blast would be directed away from the head. That is something that really should be included in the design of any bullpup, and I can't see if it is from the pictures.
With a 3.5 inch shell version the capacity would be 10 and I wouldn't have to neuter it for California.
A benefit of the tubular magazines on the bottom as opposed to the Neostead will be lower center of gravity. Those metal tubes and rounds of ammunition being closer to the hands will reduce the amount of leverage that weight exerts and so reduce perceived weight when swung and manipulated.
It's a pumper with a tubular magazine.
It has virtually no "capacity limit", so long as you train to "shoot one, load one".
Just got a new shotgun, so I'll wait for the newness to die down on this one. But I want one.
Hm. I greatly dislike muzzle blast. And this is a short weapon.
Wonder if they'll make a version with a 23" barrel? That's required at some trap ranges.
Where do the wheels mount again?
I would buy it for the novelty of it but prefer a semi-auto in a tactical shotgun.
........I'm not really into bullpup designs. Not really a tactical type of guy. The closest I own to tactical is a straight up Saiga and a Remington 7615 with no frills added. Could I be interested in this? Usually, no. But with 14 rounds at my disposal and at such a short length, that could change. It has caught my attention. Since I'm currently laid-off, it's a no-no. But by the time the prices drop I'll probably be working again. And as much as I love Kel-Tec for pushing the envelope again, a lot of times their stuff needs to work out some bugs after real world testing ( or at least so I always read here and on various other forums ). With the length and the round count, I'd buy one. But for now it's out of the question. Which is fine for now because I'd like to hear some live owner results from members first. Already ended up with issues on one brand new firearm and sending back it back twice. Call me old fashioned but I like to buy something that works out of the box with no hassle. But on the other side of the coin, might want to get one as soon as possible before the BATF decide we can't own them for some reason that they invent.
But not every other round
"Load one side with buck the other with slugs, cool." And make the last shell in either tube a starburst-flare. Light-em-up-Scouts! Dao.
Kel Tec... stealing the hearts and piggy banks of mall ninjas everywhere.
It certainly does have that cool factor though doesn't it?
I saww this on another forum the day and instantly fell in love with it. I hope it lives up to the hype and it doesn't break the bank. Once we get an offical price listed, I may have to put in for a pre-order
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