Kids and Guns.

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I don't care what the UN thinks my human rights are. I am alive, so I have the right to defend myself, my way of life, and the lives of those in my family.

And there is no need to name call here, if you can't control yourself online I don't think you're very mature. That's my opinion. Would I give you a gun? No? Do I think you have the right to defend what you hold dearest to you? Whether it be with a firearm or any other use of lethal force? Yes.

I don't care what a group of politicians from europe think my human rights are. They are just men. They are human, and so imperfect. Look how well their countries are doing without guns, in relation to crime. I only care what I, my neighbors, and my God think.
 
@TexasKid
"But you are stupid if you think minors should be allowed to have them. There is a REASON they cannot have them. The majority of minors are not responsible enough to own their own firearms. Look at how many teenage drunk drivers, pregnancies, and drug abuses there are! There are already teen related firearm incidents, but now you want to let them own their own? That doesn't make any sense at all!
Maybe we should just legalize drinking and smoking for minors too? Jesus christ! (Sorry to blasphemy)"

Sorry, I notice you wrote majority of minors in the beginning...however you did say that i was "stupid if I thought minors should be allowed to have them." This implies that ALL minors should not be able to own guns. You kind of contradicted yourself. In any case, sorry.
 
sprice said:
I don't care what the UN thinks my human rights are. I am alive, so I have the right to defend myself, my way of life, and the lives of those in my family.

And there is no need to name call here, if you can't control yourself online I don't think you're very mature. That's my opinion. Would I give you a gun? No? Do I think you have the right to defend what you hold dearest to you? Whether it be with a firearm or any other use of lethal force? Yes.

I don't care what a group of men over sea's think my human rights are. I only care what I, my neighbors, and my God think.
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Ehmm...
Actually...it does matter what the UN thinks your human rights are...
You don't...actually think that your human rights are...determined by you...right??
Human rights, believe it or not, aren't an "opinion"...

As for namecalling? When a 14 year old understands a complex international system such as this, I think that namecalling is just a little justified...
 
I agree Cal, I dont think EVERY adult has the mindset to responsably carry a gun either. But I think, as you have pointed out, that adults are more likely to be able to do so with proper judgement.

The thing is, we cant apply laws to individuals, they have to be applied as a generality. SOME people,can drive 100 mph safely, but MOST people cannot, so thus, it is illegal.

I was in the same position you were in years ago. I had a definate interest in firearms but couldnt purchase my own due to my age. So I know its frustrating...The best thing you can do is what I did. Find some people that share your interest, and glean as much knowledge and hands on experience as you can.

Have a great day guys
 
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@TexasKid
"But you are stupid if you think minors should be allowed to have them. There is a REASON they cannot have them. The majority of minors are not responsible enough to own their own firearms. Look at how many teenage drunk drivers, pregnancies, and drug abuses there are! There are already teen related firearm incidents, but now you want to let them own their own? That doesn't make any sense at all!
Maybe we should just legalize drinking and smoking for minors too? Jesus christ! (Sorry to blasphemy)"

Sorry, I notice you wrote majority of minors in the beginning...however you did say that i was "stupid if I thought minors should be allowed to have them." This implies that ALL minors should not be able to own guns. You kind of contradicted yourself. In any case, sorry.
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I did not contradict myself-I was speaking if a law was made to legalize weapons for minors.
 
sprice said:
Well I'm glad you think so much of yourself cal
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Ehmm...
Do you mind if I ask...how old you are?

I don't particularly think that highly of myself. I do however think very lowly of people who own firearms and do not understand the laws that allow them to own them. People who think they have some god given right to own them. People who don't understand the political aspect of their hobby, and what it could possibly mean for them and others who partake in it.
 
@sprice
He doesn't think highly of himself, he just has his own point of view, which I praise him for.
 
@Cal-gun fan
Your username is a contradiction, as you "...think very lowly of people who own firearms.."
 
Gus McCrae said:
Protection has very little to do with a firearm. A gun is only a tool. And only one tool in the box. If you are only relaying on that one tool for your protection then you have already failed.
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Good point, however as you said, a gun is another tool in the box. The most important tool is your mind, and secondarily your body. However, a gun could be considered, maybe, a hammer. Does your tool box include a hammer?
 
Firearms are not just a hobby. They are the right of the people, for a well regulated militia. Because they are necessary to the security of a free state. That right should not be infringed.

How can you think lowly of others? You and I are no better than anyone else who has ever lived.
 
Personally, I'm against this idea, being just 18 days away from 21 myself. I always thought I was responsible enough to own guns while I was younger too, and, while I would support lowering the age to carry to 18, I don't think it's reasonable to lower it further.

That said, I've had access to guns since being 15, and my father started taking me shooting when I was 8, so I know what I was like around them before. I also know what the majority of my classmates were like at those ages, and, like it or not, the vast majority of teenagers are NOT responsible enough to own a gun.

Keep in mind, while YOU might be responsible enough, how would you feel if every single one of your classmates could go out to a gunshop on monday, and buy and carry a gun? All of the ones that go out and get drunk every chance they get? All the ones that seem to think it's hilarious to joke about shooting people? How many kids in your school do drugs you figure?

Obviously, these aren't ONLY teenage problems, but, keep in mind that most of your peers are pressured to try to be cool and fit in. Does that end at the age of 18? Of course not, but face it, there's ALWAYS going to be an arbitrary age. Would you support letting a 6 year old buy a gun? 8? 10? There's always going to be an arbitrary number, right now that's 18 for long guns, 21 for handguns (Federally anyways).

Maybe there is some room to lower the age slightly, but, right now I don't know I could personally support it at this time.
 
Cal-gun Fan said:
No, read the sentence. I think very lowly of people who own firearms, yet do not understand the laws that allow them to.

EDIT: Changed the original post to reflect that
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So basically, you are anti gun and don't get laws? Could you explain more clearly, please? I don't really understand why you would have that point of view.
 
sprice said:
Firearms are not just a hobby. They are the right of the people, for a well regulated militia. Because they are necessary to the security of a free state. That right should not be infringed.

How can you think lowly of others? You and I are no better than anyone else who has ever lived.
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Oh my god, Sprice, just stop talking :p

Do you understand the concept of a well regulated militia? In what way are they necessary to the security of a free state?

Look-I love guns. I grew up with them. My dad is a cop, and he loves them too. We go shooting all the time. However, like tobacco and alcohol, guns tend to draw a bad group of people to them. And with guns, ignorance can be just as harmful as evil intent.
 
N003k said:
Personally, I'm against this idea, being just 18 days away from 21 myself. I always thought I was responsible enough to own guns while I was younger too, and, while I would support lowering the age to carry to 18, I don't think it's reasonable to lower it further.

That said, I've had access to guns since being 15, and my father started taking me shooting when I was 8, so I know what I was like around them before. I also know what the majority of my classmates were like at those ages, and, like it or not, the vast majority of teenagers are NOT responsible enough to own a gun.

Keep in mind, while YOU might be responsible enough, how would you feel if every single one of your classmates could go out to a gunshop on monday, and buy and carry a gun? All of the ones that go out and get drunk every chance they get? All the ones that seem to think it's hilarious to joke about shooting people? How many kids in your school do drugs you figure?

Obviously, these aren't ONLY teenage problems, but, keep in mind that most of your peers are pressured to try to be cool and fit in. Does that end at the age of 18? Of course not, but face it, there's ALWAYS going to be an arbitrary age. Would you support letting a 6 year old buy a gun? 8? 10? There's always going to be an arbitrary number, right now that's 18 for long guns, 21 for handguns (Federally anyways).

Maybe there is some room to lower the age slightly, but, right now I don't know I could personally support it at this time.
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Yeah, if that 6/8/10 year old was MATURE enough.
 
I carry every day. But my firearm is not my first line of defense. And thinking that simply having a firearm will solve all your problems is silly. In addition I carry my knife as well. I mean where do you live, Mogadishu? I have worked with adolescents for a number of years. In all those years I only met a handful, less than half a dozen, that I would trust with a firearm. Most are just not mature enough to handle a firearm. They lack the fundamental decision making skills.

And the child like bickering needs to stop right now or this thread will be locked.
 
Regardless of your feelings about the laws governing what age you're allowed to exercise a right, the political landscape is such that an actual lowering of the age limit to own or carry a firearm is not going to happen any time soon.

As much as you may think it sucks, the reality of the situation is what it is. If you're truly interested in firearms and learning to shoot, there are plenty of places where you can do that, including the Boy Scouts, 4H, Hunter Safety, and the local branches of various competitive shooting organizations.
 
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