Kimber, Cooper, or something else?

More misinformation from CraigC? It's like a pattern or something...

 

Do you have any evidence that he has divested himself of his stock?

They could move him out of management, but they could hardly confiscate his stock.

 

What cal ?
What purpose ?

"Thinking " about buying something you know nothing about .........?

Seems to me you`ve got a long way to go yet.

 

Sako rifles are the best out of the box production guns made, better even than alot of so called custom rifles. I've never had a sako that did'nt shoot the bullit I wanted to shoot sub MOA and yes I have ten Sako's!

 

I've got a Cooper in .17 HMR and a Kimber 82 .22lr, both fine rifles and very accurate. The Kimber cost me roughly $800 (it's in excellent condition), the Cooper twice as much. Is the Cooper worth twice as much as the Kimber? It's like most other things in life, nothing is immune from the law of diminishing marginal returns. If you want a more or less flawless finish with superb fit, you have to pay a lot more for it.

 

As with most of these issues, the facts never get in the way of a good witch hunt. Let's put the BS to rest. Statement from Cooper Firearms:

"Regarding the USA Today Article. Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc. did not contribute and does not support in any fashion the campaign of Senator Obama.

Nine months ago Dan Cooper (personally) made an online donation to the campaign in an effort to help defeat Hillary Clinton and in protest of American plant closures and the shipping of jobs overseas. Three months ago he made yet another donation to the McCain campaign and the RNC totaling over twice that given to Obama campaign.

There is no doubt that the article in USA Today has caused a considerable response. To this end we are encouraged and stand with our fellow NRA members and supporters of the Second Amendment and against those who oppose it."


Cooper Firearms is now owned by barrelmaker Wilson Arms.

You want to talk about misinformation? Now all the employees share the personal political beliefs of their employer? That's a slippery slope. Good thing it's total nonsense.

With standard factory loads? So now an off-the-shelf Winchester is "just as good" as a semi-custom rifle? I guess all those Cooper owners are just suckers, huh? You do realize that accuracy is not the only thing you're paying for, right?

 

Well they paid more for less rifle, and a chunk of it went to Obama. I'm not sure sucker really gets to the bottom of it.

 

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Did you forget about Cooper presenting George Bush with a rifle?

Once again, all you do is cherry pick a point to argue, ignoring all the rest. I've handled dozens of Coopers and I think your assessment is bogus.

 

Money to Obama speaks a lot louder.

 

That claim, as Richard Nixon would say, is no longer operative. Unfortunately for Cooper and those supporting him, the Federal Election Commission keeps good records.

Cooper’s contributions, by the amount and timing, refute the claim that he only did it “to help defeat Hillary Clinton.” And he still owns stock and profits from the sale of the rifles that bear his name.

 

I own a Kimber CC 82 .22 and a CC 84M Limited in .308 - both are fine rifles with just excellent wood, fit/ finish and shoot better than I do - purchased them years ago and am more convinced than ever that they were worth the cost - subjective opinion but real to me. I have handled and viewed Cooper rifles but never owned one - fine stuff. I have noted that Coopers cost seems significantly more than a comparable Kimber but you can see it in the very fine detail. If I did not already own the Kimbers and wanted a fine rifle, Cooper would certainly be on the list.

 

Do you know that for a fact? You don't think there are liberals who own stock in other gun companies, what about them? What about all the other folks at Cooper who don't agree with whatever his politics may be? I'm sorry but this is about as silly as those who still hold that 10rd crap against Ruger, long after the old man died. Akin to throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Do you make 100% sure that NONE of the money you spend on ANY other product goes to someone whose political beliefs differ from your own?

Methinks the money I spent to become an NRA Benefactor more than makes up for the few dollars Dan Cooper may or may not make on a rifle I buy. I also think those complaining loudest never would've bought one anyway.

Everybody loves a good witch hunt.

 

Have it your way. I will not buy a Cooper as long as Cooper profits from the purchase.

 

How do you know that he is?

Are you really in the market for $2000+ semi-custom rifles or is this just empty posturing?

 

That's already been explained. Try re-reading the thread carefully.

 

Back to the OP...If you are looking for rimfire, try Anschutz.

 

At the $2000 mark, it might be tough for a gunsmith to match what Cooper offers. Just a new stock may cost that much. What I was going to buy from them is a fully optioned .22LR as a be-all, end-all, to the end of time, rimfire rifle. Which was going to be closer to $4000-$5000. You make a good point and I should definitely contact my gunsmith to get an idea of what it would to build one from scratch.

 

Neither post from the OP suggests we were.

 

I agree with that, IF you want something weird. I've got a couple of those and got exactly what I wanted that no one would sell me off the rack.

But for an everyday normal weight hunting rifle, after all these years I still think the M70 is it. Smooth action and slick metal work, nice deep gloss bluing, CRF, huge range of calibers, sub-MOA accuracy with hunting loads, a nice rigid stock pillar and skim bedded, free floated barrel. Good trigger too. What am I getting with a Cooper? A push feed action, and the rest the same?

Even ignoring the politics, I don't see the value proposition unless it's to get an obscure caliber Winchester doesn't make.