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Kimber has a job opening for a gun designer

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by hso, Mar 14, 2010.

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  1. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

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    Kimber's hiring.

     
  2. winknplink

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    An ME? For weapon design?

    Wow, taking advantage of that slow economy I see. I bet all their draftsmen have BSME's, too, lol.

    No wonder they cost so much.
     
  3. Beelzy

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    They should spend the payroll money on better finishes on their pistol barrels if you ask me.

    Seems odd that they are seeking a Trouble Shooter.......pardon the pun.
     
  4. earlthegoat2

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    Apparently they are thinking of producing an original design?? ( I know most designs these days arent original, I guess I mean non-1911)

    Could be for rifles I suppose.
     
  5. MetalHead

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    How many of the great designers would meet half those criteria?
     
  6. Full Metal Jacket

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    sounds like they lost one of their top guys........maybe the the new guy will bring some quality control with him.
     
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    By the amount of complaints about their guns and quality control it sounds like the need one.
     
  8. The Lone Haranguer

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    It seems odd that they need a new designer when their products were designed over 100 years ago. :p
     
  9. EddieNFL

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    Maybe they're gonna take another stab at the external extractor.
     
  10. conhntr

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    they want the new guy to design a way to use even more MIM
     
  11. Buck Snort

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    Hey guys, I've got a Kimber CDP II that's just the cat's meow. They make a LOT of guns and it goes w/out saying that not every one that leaves the factory is going to perform as expected right out of the box. Truth of the matter is even the very BEST manufacturers produce some lemon, no matter what the product.
     
  12. EddieNFL

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    Very true. The problem with Kimber is they leave with very simple problems that could be detected and corrected with just a modicum more quality control. Also, CS attitude is "iffy." One day, peaches and cream; next day you're an idiot.
     
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    Sounds like they need a quality control engineer -- which my wife is.
     
  14. Full Metal Jacket

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    Blame the "New Educational System"......These days a Bachelor's Degree is equivalent to a high school education circa 1960 ! I can see where Kimber would want at least a MSME and some serious industry-related credential. I know I would !!

    Remember Kimber is a medium to high level peddler of specialized handguns - particularly those based upon the 1911 platform. Their ad boast is "craftsmanship" and design excellence, ( and they do make, IMO, some very pretty guns). Its a highly competitive market and growing more so almost daily, it seems. Why not 'go for the best available' ? >MW
     
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    I do not own one myself, but it seems as though their rifles do not have any of the QC problems of their pistols. IS that true? Do they only make bolt action rifles? Maybe the simple design keeps them out of trouble.
     
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    I was going to post this exact thing until I thought they might try to actually design something themselves but then I though of their rifles which despite being a modified Mauser are at least something not as cliche as the 1911.

    There requirements are high. Someone of the type they are looking for is going to have to jump ship from another major manufacturer where they would have a lot of seniority already built up. I would not be surprised if they lured someone away from a smaller manufacturer such as a lower volume custom manufacturer.
     
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    the thing is, kimber wanting an employee with those minimum requirements is extremely common these days.

    the last time i saw an advertisement for a designer at a west michigan furniture company, they wanted pretty much the same degrees, experience, for a job that paid TEN DOLLARS, yes 10.00 per hour, for a maximum of 20 hours per week.

    however, the greatest designers of firearms in history would never have been able to meet the requirements for this job. I merely remember the following gentlemen.
    Kalishnakov
    Browning
    Colt
    Mosin and Nagant
    Berdan
    Hiram Maxim
    The Mauser brothers
    Luger
     
  19. Uncle Mike

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    That's just like corporate America now....they want everything and do not want to give much of anything for it!

    Seriously...a ME plus 10 years in the field! What Kimber wants is a guy who understands how to design something that looks expensive but cost a dollar to build it, so they can continue to charge those astronomical prices they do for rifles that cant keep pace with a $300 Marlin XS7 or Stevens 200!

    It might benefit them to hire some old gunsmith that has been tightening up those sloppy Kimbers for years...but then again, all his ideas, while they would produce a fine rifle, would cost money to do.... money that the top level boys are not going to part with.

    Well, I wish them the best!
     
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    Ha! Did John Moses Browning have a masters?
     
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    I can see there aren't many engineers here.

    Do you seriously think Kalashnikov and others worked alone? Plenty of non-engineers have had and continue to have brilliant ideas. However, it requires us (engineers) to make those products a reality.

    They could hire any one of you to draw pretty pictures for them, but it requires extensive background in materials and design to design a quality product that doesn't cost a fortune.

    How many of you have a strong background in dynamics, fatigue, mechanics of materials, and heat transfer? That is what it takes to design a quality firearm.

    Also don't forget, Glock and Stoner were both engineers and have designed products that have taken huge market shares.

    There is no such thing as "pretty much the same" when comes engineering discipline and/or degree level. Mechanical is not Civil is not EE and MS is not "pretty much the same" as a BS. I think you are confused. Nobody with a MS in ME is doing work for $10/hr. The market is not that bad.
     
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    This is an example of an ad for a position where they already have someone they intend to hire for it but for some reason (political, economic, union contract, etc) need to pretend that the opening is competitive. The key weasel words are the ones about "Experience may be substituted" - it tells you that they know no one will come up that actually meets their requirements so they can then go ahead and hire the person they want to hire.

    William
     
  23. EddieNFL

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    I think it is. A friend owns a gun shop hired an engineer at $12 per hour. An attorney friend hired a paralegal (don't know the wage scale) last year. Guy has a law degree and is a bar member.

    An engineer once told told me, "Every project reaches a point when you have to shoot the engineer and build it."
     
  24. winknplink

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    You would be wrong. Just b/c it's not down for your discipline doesn't mean it's not down for mine or the next guy's.

    BSME with emphasis on Automation and Robotics, 1996. 10+ years under Toyota as a project mgr.

    I'd jump on $10/hour right now out of mere common sense.

    And, this is very common practice for engineering companies to hire all they can for as little as it takes in an employer's market. It's low down, but it's smart. You don't need a Masters for QC, metallurgy, physics, design, stress analysis, et al., they simply WANT one. As an engineer worth his salt, you should know that.
     
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    They might want someone with a masters in ME that they can pay 10 dollars an hour, but I doubt they would find many takers.

    My soon to be father in law has a masters in ME an works as an independent contractor for a variety of different people and corporations.

    He charges $250 an hour for his time. and he has a waiting list for his services
     
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