Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by bullzeye8, Jan 15, 2016.
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Looks like the Colt Detective Special is back. And with a 357 Magnum rating to boot.
Actually, it's been back in it's truer form for some time as the six-shot 38 Special Charter Police Undercover. It just never seemed to catch on.
Absolutely nothing "revolutionary" about it:
Not looking for a revolution. Just the return of a quality updated version of a lightweight and infamous revolver that once had a starring role in the TV series "Dragnet".
I think the lock may be like a SP101. I'd prefer it in .40 S&W but .357 is ok.
We will see.
If the intent is for this to be a "California spec" revolver, is it required to have a lock?
The cylinder is .11 inches wider than a Ruger KLCR.
That doesn't sound insurmountable considering it means an extra round.
Is the lock work made of MIM parts? If so are they good mim parts.
Sure, I'm curious.
Hell, let's say I'm even generally enthusiastic but not one single "revolutionary" design nor a design which will "change the way I think" has lived up to its hype.
I hope to be wrong but don't expect it.
"New & improved" wore out its welcome long ago as a sales pitch.
New to Kimber maybe as it's a revolver but I doubt it'll be breaking any new ground.
There are no requirements for a lock, it just needs to pass a drop test.
Looks like the chambers are recessed too. There's no visible space for the case rims. Hmmm.
A top break auto-eject, polymer, bottom barrel with a way to seal the cylinder gap and a great short reset trigger would be revolutionary.
This is kinda neat.
I think I'd still rather have Smith & Wesson release a snub version of the new M66, even with the lock.
I've been trying to go to the link quite a few times since you guys posted the link and I keep getting "There has been an error processing your request." Is anyone else getting in, or is pretty much everyone having trouble? I'm getting the same message on both my laptop and my tablet.
It seems that either Kimber didn't mean to release the photos yet and immediately took down the website, or (if others are getting through) the site is overwhelmed by traffic making it difficult to get through. Either way, I guess I most likely won't get to see it until tomorrow with the official announcement.
Given what others have posted, it doesn't quite sound revolutionary, but who really expected it to be? Hopefully it is a good design. It sounds like a 6-shot revolver around the size of a J-frame. There is definitely a market for a lightweight revolver geared towards the CCW crowd, and it is nice that they went with a 6-shot version instead of the traditional small-frame's 5-shots. The Colt used to be quite popular in that niche (sacrifice a little size for an extra round, while still a nice CCW size), and there is still a market as evidenced by the few guns out there still selling in that market space (the Rossi 461/462, the Taurus 851, and the Charter Arms Police Undercover). Is the cylinder hexagonal like in the teaser photo, or a more traditional design?
I'm having trouble getting with those links to.
So the only "revolution" is that it has six shots, whereas the LCR 357 and the SP101 and the Model 60 357 are all five shots?
That said, while it's not revolutionary, the more the better in the revolver market.
If it carries as well as a j frame or lcr then it will be a nice little revolver, although expensive.
I got to admit it looks good in that pic
Not revolutionary, but looks like a well designed revolver and a good concept...
Many non-revolver types complain about the form-factor of a revolver. They claim that the slab sided auto is easier and more comfortable to conceal. I'll give them more comfortable, though with small pocket guns I think that when the flat sided auto prints it looks like a gun in the pocket, and the collection of different bumps and humps of the revolver just looks like stuff in the pocket. The flat sided Kimber revolver will be more comfortable for those of us who like IWB, and should appease those who think an auto is easier to conceal. Incidentally, I'm guessing that this is the "revolutionary" part they are claiming, since the rest is good, but pretty common, modern revolver design.
The rest of the features I like can be found on other guns, though not necessarily together. The rear sight is dovetailed, the front is pinned, making changing out the sights a fairly easy and inexpensive proposition once people start supporting the gun (I love when nightsights are available on a revolver, though I don't have one with them yet). While not everyone likes it, I like the "hammerless" DAO feature on a revolver that is to be used for CCW and not just for a fun range gun. From what was reported on this thread, it is nearly as small as a J-frame, with 6-shots, and at 23oz it isn't all that heavy. Now that I can see their website, 6.62" OAL and 4.46" height is definitely a concealable size. At 1.39" wide, it is more narrow than many autos (no revolver will ever be as narrow as a single stack polymer pistol). The 10# trigger is a little on the heavy side, but I'm sure someone will be putting out lighter springs and/or offering trigger jobs soon. A grip that fills the space between the grip frame and trigger guard completely will address an area that commonly causes discomfort when shooting revolvers (I hate when my small-framed guns cause the trigger guard to hit my fingers). I see they are releasing it in only .357mag for now, but for caliber it has a pull down menu suggesting more caliber options in the future (please do it in .327mag).
It has a lot of good features going for it. With the relatively reasonable $900 MSRP, after giving it a year or so for Kimber to get the possible teething issues worked out, I can see giving it a try. If in the future they put one out with a 3" barrel I can pretty much guarantee I'll give it a try.
It won't carry as well as a J frame but it will shoot significantly better due to the increase in weight. And the larger frame will allow the shooter to hang onto the gun better in rapid fire.
Caveat: The similar in size six shot Colts of yore were subject to metal cracking after 2,000-3,000 rounds. I'm assuming metallurgy has come long way since back in the day and that this won't be a problem today on an $800+ gun.
Price aside, this is one to watch if you believe in the addage, "six for sure".
We shall see.
I don't know about some of you, but this revolver didn't need to be "revolutionary", which it is not. Somebody wrote about a top break with barrel on the bottom in polymer... give me a break.
If this thing is quality, I mean really well made and is a tight, reliable gun, than it's got it's place. People have been begging for a return of the Detective Special for years. Well guess what? Colt is NEVER going to produce a double action revolver again.
Kimber might well drink Colt's milkshake on this. Or not, it could just be a crappy gun that turns out to be junk. Wouldn't be the first time a head turning new release turned into a colossal disappointment (read Remington R51).
.38 Special +P
2" or 2.5" barrel
interchangeable barrels and cylinders
Can the rest of you see the picture I linked above?
If they offer these in the same caliber choices as their 1911 offerings they could be marketed as backup guns for 1911 owners and as primary guns for revolver owners. By selling in the 1911 calibers they can appeal equally to 1911 and revolver enthusiasts alike.
It didn't need to be revolutionary but Kimber claimed it would be.
Yes, you are right. A little over zealous choice of words they uses, eh?
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