Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Kinda thinking out loud here... .44 version of an NAA loader for Remmies?

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Busyhands94, Dec 12, 2012.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. BCRider

    BCRider Member

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2008
    Messages:
    7,754
    Location:
    Pacific North"Wet" Coast of Canada
    I REALLY like Smokin' Joe's three rammer setup. If that were expanded out into a less fumbly to use tool instead of the bits of this and bits of that and two wrenchs that want to fall off it could be quite the package. The ONLY issue being that it would not be good for "load 5 only" Cowboy Action. But for range plinking days where it's OK to load all six at a time this would ROCK! ! ! !

    Changes would involve a plate with three ramming pins set into a metal ramming plate so there's no need to ram the balls home when the cylinder is put back in the frame. The self equalizing nature of the "tripod" would ensure that all three chambers are equally compressed.

    Busyhands, around here a bumper mounted version would not work well since our laws and range rules do not allow us to haul our car/truck out onto the firing line at the range. You see ALL of our handguns other than a few special proper antiques have to be fired at club ranges. And the clubs frown on driving right up to the firing line.... :D
     
  2. Busyhands94

    Busyhands94 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2011
    Messages:
    2,371
    Location:
    California, the "you can't have it" State.
    Man, that would be a PITA if I had to walk from the truck to shoot. Usually I drive down a dirt road, hit a few mud puddles along the way, pull up, lay my ammo on my tailgate, set up the steel, and feed from there. The beauty of it is that the tailgate has these sort of indentations that are perfect because you can just dump your roundball on there and they won't roll away.

    Alright, we got a clear day tomorrow, but I might have work. We'll see if I can make a prototype, I really wanna see if this will work.

    Of course, no need to re-invent the wheel here. Sure, there's a tons of designs for loaders out there. Probably as many as there are cap and ball revolvers. But nobody has made a .32 caliber hand squeezer type. That's why I am. :D
     
  3. ofitg

    ofitg Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2010
    Messages:
    405
    Levi, have you made any progress with your project?
     
  4. Busyhands94

    Busyhands94 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2011
    Messages:
    2,371
    Location:
    California, the "you can't have it" State.
    As far as a full sized Remington press, I still have to get some flat aluminum bar stock for it. The hardware store has some but I'm broke, I do have some good ideas for how the bullet seating plunger will look and how it will attach though, and I did buy screws for it.

    For the .31 I have modified a spare .22 Mag NAA loader that was sitting my my gun drawer collecting dust. I know you can seat .32 S&W bullets in the cylinder with it, but I don't have any roundballs to test it with. I'm going to purchase some NAA loader so modify and make into .31 caliber pocket loaders.

    The only problem is I can't get em' out of there. Anybody got an extra .31 Remmy they wouldn't mind parting with? :D
     
  5. ofitg

    ofitg Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2010
    Messages:
    405
    On several occasions I have unloaded percussion revolver cylinders by removing the nipples, and then inserting an aluminum rod through the nipple wells (careful not to damage the threads) to drive the balls forward, out of the chambers.

    So your .31 cylinder loader worked out OK? Can you post photos? I might be your first customer.
     
  6. Busyhands94

    Busyhands94 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2011
    Messages:
    2,371
    Location:
    California, the "you can't have it" State.
    Steve, I have been searching all over and couldn't find it. Then it occurred to me that I left it at my now ex girlfriend's house because I was using her bench grinder to rectify a problem with the plunger hitting the edge of the chamber. I'm NOT talking to that lying, cheating, dishonest #%&$@ again. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :mad: :cuss: :cuss: Wish I'd known the day before I caught her cheating. :fire:

    However, I'll see if I can get some aluminum sheeting tomorrow and make one from scratch.
     
  7. Busyhands94

    Busyhands94 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2011
    Messages:
    2,371
    Location:
    California, the "you can't have it" State.
    bump_zpsf1482f6f.gif
    Bump! :D
    Photo0192_zpsc051ae00.jpg

    Photo0191_zps0178a89a.jpg

    Photo0190_zps3f63d22b.jpg

    Photo0189_zps6ddc84c9.jpg

    I made that sucker today, took me about 6 chaws and 2 cups of coffee. But that sucker seats those .32 caliber bullets in that cylinder just fine, no doubt you'd be able to use it for roundballs. I gave the steel a good cold blue but left the aluminum sanded. It's got locking washers (the kind with the little rubber inserts) just like the ones NAA has so it won't fall apart in the users pocket and it would be harder to loose parts.

    I also had to engrave where it was made. The good ol' US of A by M'ericans. :cool:

    Not sure what I'd charge, but I could make a bunch of these. I like the idea of helping shooters rediscover mouseguns and their potential by making them want to shoot more! :)

    Levi
     
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2013
  8. ofitg

    ofitg Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2010
    Messages:
    405
    Levi, that looks pretty good!

    Let us know when you decide on a price..... gotta cover the cost of materials, plus your time..... how long does it take for "six chaws and two cups of coffee"?
     
  9. Franco2shoot

    Franco2shoot Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2006
    Messages:
    857
    Location:
    The Right side of D.C.-NOVA(Springfield, Va.)
    I would suggest that the bottom pin should be two pins and the plunger should have the pivot point. The bottom rail should have the means to hold the cylinder with a short stub extending up.

    I use a table mount press that does a really nice job but is too bulky to take to the field.

    If you use a cotter pin to retain the plunger, different size plungers could be easily swapped out and sold.

    KKKKFL
     
  10. Busyhands94

    Busyhands94 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2011
    Messages:
    2,371
    Location:
    California, the "you can't have it" State.
    Ofitg, building it took about 3.5 hours start to finish. I got that aluminum at a garage sale for cheap, but I know of a scrap yard that I can get the same stuff at for probably less. Problem is I don't know if I'll be able to find the place, it's been years and I have the navigational skills of a drunk in a foreign town! It's this scrap yard that is in the same town as my college called Bateef scrap I think, they have basically everything you'd ever need there. Inside they have a bunch of old rifles and shotguns on the ceiling (some from the BP era) and I also saw a musket in there once! :) Oh yes, and some good air rifles you can buy! :D

    I have never sold anything like this before, but I have done similar projects. Does $45 sound fair is that too steep for a handmade item like this?

    Franko2shoot, I like that idea. Just to make sure I'm getting the right idea here, are we talking something along the lines of a commercial cylinder loader mixed with an NAA loader? Because that might be VERY useful for something like that.

    The main reason I made the plunger stationary and no pin to go into the cylinder is because the cylinder is much smaller. You can hold it straight much like on an NAA .22 cylinder and still seat the bullets neatly. For the most part, I think as long as you aren't using ridiculously oversize balls of hard lead it should work fine.

    Another reason is there's less moving parts. Less to break, less that can go wrong! :D You can probably guess why I prefer a .38 revolver over a 9mm any day of the week!
     
  11. ofitg

    ofitg Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2010
    Messages:
    405
    Levi, with 3-1/2 hours of labor, your price sounds reasonable.... can you include postage with that (ie, $45 postpaid)?

    My budget is already blown for this payday so I'll have to wait until the end of the month.
     
  12. BHP FAN

    BHP FAN Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    5,810
    Location:
    Northern California
    I have loaders for my .44, and another for my .36, and another, more elaborate one that has fittings for .31, .36, and .44, but none that would fit in my possibles bag. I'm in. Let me know where to send the cash, I lost the addy I sent the mousegun cylinder to.
     
  13. Busyhands94

    Busyhands94 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2011
    Messages:
    2,371
    Location:
    California, the "you can't have it" State.
    Steve, I'll make ya' a deal. How about half price shipping? I could use a $5 flat rate box and only charge half if that sounds fair enough.

    BHP FAN, I'll be sure to make another one over the weekend and I will shoot a PM to your inbox when it's been created! :)


    Note: If you are a veteran whether active duty or retired you get a $5 discount.
    However If you're a member of congress the price is double. ;)
     
  14. BHP FAN

    BHP FAN Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    5,810
    Location:
    Northern California
    USN, HTFN, 1976 to 1980 ''Tin Can'' man aboard a Guided Missile Destroyer...Thanks!
     
  15. swathdiver

    swathdiver Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2010
    Messages:
    707
    Location:
    Treasure Coast, Florida
    Which one?
     
  16. HUnter58

    HUnter58 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2006
    Messages:
    143
    Location:
    Tippecanoe County
  17. BHP FAN

    BHP FAN Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    5,810
    Location:
    Northern California
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2013
  18. flahipneck

    flahipneck Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2013
    Messages:
    8
    Location:
    Archer, Fl.
  19. BHP FAN

    BHP FAN Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    5,810
    Location:
    Northern California
    I really like those, I have two, one with a .36 plunger, one with a .44 plunger, but they don't fit in my possibles bag, and they don't make one in .31. I sent a design for a quick caliber change modification to Alessandro Pietta, and he wrote back [basically] 'nice...but simpler is better...'
     
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2013
  20. swathdiver

    swathdiver Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2010
    Messages:
    707
    Location:
    Treasure Coast, Florida
  21. BHP FAN

    BHP FAN Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    5,810
    Location:
    Northern California
    deleted...
     
    Last edited: Jan 30, 2013
  22. BHP FAN

    BHP FAN Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    5,810
    Location:
    Northern California
    Ha! Stationed in Mayport 1976-1980 aboard the one ship [Tattnal] the whole time, less time spent doing the 30 days as a trainer in 1979, TAD to the Meredith DD890, made in 1945 and used as a reserve training vessel.
     
  23. swathdiver

    swathdiver Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2010
    Messages:
    707
    Location:
    Treasure Coast, Florida
    Small world! I saw two old US Navy vets today in passing. One wearing a cover from the USS Randolph and the other from.. the Meredith! Talk about coincidences!
     
  24. MCgunner

    MCgunner Member

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2005
    Messages:
    25,169
    Location:
    The end of the road between Sodom and Gomorrah Tex
  25. BHP FAN

    BHP FAN Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    5,810
    Location:
    Northern California
    I have both of those presses. The Traditions is actually the better of the two. The table press has short brass jags that should be longer, one of my .44 Cylinders has a nice gouge in the metal at the mouth of the chamber, from the steel arm. I was trying a light load for a brasser. I guess the take-away for the table press is use either Wonder Wads, or full house loads.....
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page