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Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Sergei Mosin, Oct 26, 2019.

  1. Sergei Mosin

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    Handled a new King Cobra in the store today. I think a medium-frame four-inch stainless .357 is as close as you can get to perfection in a revolver, so I wanted to see what Colt has to offer.

    It's fine. Looks good, feels ok in the hand (I'd replace the wood grips with something better suited to me), balances about like you'd expect. Single action trigger is crisp, double action pull is gritty. Might just need a little break-in.

    That price tag, though. It isn't any nicer than my GP100 but the asking price is close to double that of the Ruger. Sorry, no sale.
     
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  2. dfariswheel

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    The new King Cobra isn't a medium frame like the original KC or the Ruger GP.

    All the new Colt's like the Cobra and KC are built on a small frame, very similar to the old Colt "D" frame as used for the Detective Special and Diamondback and have the same small size cylinder.
    The frame is very close to the S&W "K" frame and the cylinder is almost exactly the same size, close enough that speedloaders can be used on the Colt's and the "K" frame S&W.

    The older Colt's like the Python and original King Cobra have a larger, medium size frame, and a much larger cylinder.
     
  3. ontarget

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    I realize that the Colt name has always brought a higher price but in today's world I just don't understand why Colt seems to want to price themselves out of the market.
    Even if they are still hand fitting every part (which they aren't), I don't understand how they can cost so much. Sure people pay the prices they go for but in my simple math it seems like if the price was more in line with their competitors they would gain a much larger market share thereby increasing their income.
    I'd love to put a Colt in my collection but not at the current prices.
     
  4. gotboostvr

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    The other guys (Smith, Ruger, Taurus etc) have mostly amortized the cost of their tooling and machines for their revolvers. As I understand it, Colt started up this time around practically from scratch.
     
  5. ArchAngelCD

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    I just looked on both sites, the 3" King Cobra has a list price of $ 899 and the 3" GP100 has list price of $799. That is a $100 spread, not near twice the price.

    The King Cobra can be had for $838 from Buds Gun Shop online.
     
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  6. Jonesy814

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    And at my LGS, the GP 100 can be purchased for $600. Not twice the price but a couple hundred is significant
     
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  7. ArchAngelCD

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    How much is the Colt at the same store?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the Colt should cost that much and I agree their market share would grow with a more competitive price.
     
  8. Alaskan Ironworker

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    Havent seen a lot of the new colts up in alaska stores, but I agree you can get the ruger for about $600 used in most stores. My coworker just picked up a 4” stainless .357 taurus tracker for $400, and I may pick one up as Theyre a 7 shot, and Im already quite pleased with my .44 mag tracker. Hogue grips are a must on these though in my opinion, so another $20.
     
  9. Sergei Mosin

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    The revolver in question here is the 4.25-inch King Cobra Target, which has an MSRP of $999. That was also the asking price in the store. The lowest price I can find online right now is $925. The GP100 can be had for $600 all day long. 35-40% more is close enough to twice the price in my book.
     
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  10. Blue Brick

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    Only if I was in the market....

    I would get a 4 inch Mag Pug. It weighs in at 23 ounces but its a 5 shot. They make a 6 inch barrel that I think is a fantastic back up hunting / backpacker / trapper gun.

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  11. Mycin

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    What's the availability? As I recall, the Cobra couldn't be found for love nor money for several months after it released. The plant just couldn't keep up with demand. You can't blame Colt for asking what the market will bear.

    There are lots of folks who will pay list price for these revolvers just because they want to be first on the block to own one. Once sales slack off and inventory starts to stack up, I'm sure Colt will back off the MSRP to be more in line with their competition.

    Just give it a year or so.
     
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  12. 460Shooter

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    Paying full MSRP is silly.

    Wait a year and check again. Extra time to save.
     
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  13. Tallball

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    Not necessarily for the OP, but for whomever else might be reading...

    If I could only have one handgun, it would probably be a DA/SA medium-framed 4" 38 or 357 revolver.

    I almost never buy new handguns anymore. A solid used one is just as good, but for around half the price. It's abnormal for a regular person to wear out a quality handgun. My success rate is something like ten reliable used handguns to every one that was problematic. Most of mine were bought sight unseen from Gunbroker.

    I own or have owned almost every modern brand of revolver. If I wanted a nice medium-framed 4" 38 or 357, I would be looking for a used one.

    These are the three most common brands, in order from usually cheaper to usually more expensive:

    If you can find a nice Taurus with a good trigger, they are pretty much a less expensive Smith. Their triggers are not typically as good, but you can get lucky. I have had three Model 66 variants that have/had nice triggers and gave me no problems. YMMV.

    I don't like the SP101's, but I like the other Ruger revolvers. My FiL bought a GP100 brand-new a few years ago that has a very nice trigger. Their triggers are not generally as nice as the Smiths, but you can get lucky. In my experience they are typically a bit less expensive than Smiths.

    Smith and Wesson pretty much sets the standard. I suppose you can find one with a poor trigger, but most of mine are great. My two best revolver triggers are both older Smiths. They are typically more expensive than the other common brands.

    I wanted to own a Colt revolver just to own a Colt revolver. I haunted Gunbroker for a couple of months looking at old ones. I found a Colt Army Special from 1921 for around $300 OTD. It locks up tight and shoots as well as the small sights allow.

    Here are some random ones that I bought used.

    I bought this Taurus Model 66 derivative used in 2000 or so for $200 (they cost more now). It was made in 1990, IIRC. My best Taurus revolvers have been Model 66 and 85 derivatives made from the mid 1980's until 1990. This is a Model 689, which was the fanciest one they made back then. I bought some $30 Thai hardwood grips for it. It goes bang every time and has a pretty good trigger, not quite as good as a nice Smith.

    I don't actually own a medium-framed DA Ruger revolver. I have a bunch of single action ones, a gigantic Super Redhawk, and this 4.2" SP101. It goes bang every time, but the trigger is pretty stiff. I could try to change out the springs to improve it. I bought it brand-new for near MSRP because the 327 magnum model had just come out. I put some Thai hardwood grips on it to help it fit my hand better.

    I have three modern medium-framed Smiths. One is my outstanding 6" K22 Masterpiece. One is a silly 8" Model 10 derivative with a so-so trigger (probably not even broken in). The other is this 2" Model 10. It's a police turn-in made in 1961 or so. It doesn't look as rough in person as the poor photo implies, although it does have plenty of holster wear. I paid... I dunno, somewhere in the mid $300's for it? The trigger is excellent. It's my most accurate snubby out of many.

    This is my only Colt revolver, though I have a couple of their nice semi-autos also. It's a simple service model from 1921. It has a much better trigger and slightly better sights compared to my similar S&W pre-Model 10. Like I said above, it cost me something like $300 OTD and locks up tight.
     
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  14. Jonesy814

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    The same shop wants $1019.95 for the King Cobra Target and 919.95 for the King Cobra Carry. A blued 4 inch GP100 sells for $589.95, and stainless is $609.95
     
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    They were on the "I" frame, same as the Officer's Model, roughly similar to the newer S&W "L" frame 586/686.

    Until it doesn't, because dang few people are left that know how to work on one. Last time I worked on one was 30 years ago, and it was a dying art back then.
     
  16. jeff-10

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    Why would a buyer expect all 357's to be priced similarly when 9mm's, 40 S&W's and 45 ACP's aren't. Also, it is a new high demand gun compared to one that has an untold number of used ones for sale.
     
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    I don't think I would continue to shop at any gun shop who charges more than the MSRP. I think it's just wrong and disrespectful to their customers.
     
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    "Until it doesn't, because dang few people are left that know how to work on one. Last time I worked on one was 30 years ago, and it was a dying art back then."

    (Speaking of the old inexpensive Colt revolver I bought a few years ago.)

    I have a few different handguns... five I think... that are from the 19-teens or 1920's. I shoot them rarely with mild loads. None of them cost much and they don't have any sentimental value to me. If they become too worn to function properly/safely, I can just part them out for about as much as I paid for them.
     
  19. Kleanbore

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    Your decision.
     
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    Good thing to look into.

    The old Colt DAs required rework, readjustment, and "tuning" periodically, at the factory. That was inherent in the design. Colt does not provide that service any more.

    The service interval for the light alloy Cobra was rather short, but the steel-framed Detective Special also had to be sent in from time to time.

    When the new, steel Cobra was introduced, I tried to look into whether that was still an issue.

    I cannot remember what or whether i found out. The issue became moot. There were no new Colts in town to be had, and I bought a Kimber.
     
  21. Master Blaster

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    So my mistaken understanding is that the new colts are like the Lawman MKIII action which was a simplified coil spring powered action and completely different than the old V spring action you find in the classic colts.
    However I saw some pictures online and it is a modernized V spring action.Does this mean it will be more durable and not suffer from the timing issues caused by wear on a classic colt revolver?
    So is this new Colt action as durable as a S&W or Ruger action?
    Is the need for a competent Colt smith to adjust the revolver is a thing of the past?
     
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  22. Kleanbore

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    Is the spring design the only thing requreing re-tuning? How about the cylinder advance and locking mechanism?

    Can you share a source for that?

    That would be a good thing.

    As I said, I started to look into it, but I do not remember what I found out.
     
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    I have seen different things on line but I did find a review where they took one apart, and its a modified V spring action apparently.

    Fast forward to 10 minutes in for disassembly:

     
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  24. SwampWolf

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    Might depend on how old you are. :eek:
     
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  25. 460Shooter

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    I suppose so.
     
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