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Knife fighting techniques

Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by sakimoto, Mar 11, 2009.

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  1. sakimoto

    sakimoto Member

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    Greetings,
    I remember seeing a book published by Paladin Press over two decades ago on Knife fighting techniques. Is there a book or a DVD that would explain the techniques? I have seen a video by Mac "the animal" and it gave some pretty good examples. One thing is to have a knife the other thing is to know how to use one. Any information will be appreciated! Thanks to all!
    Sakimoto:D
     
  2. Hungry Seagull

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    Just close the distance and get the blade in. Once in, flip the target over your hip and down to the ground. Then hammer the head with the handle of the knife. Enough to induce bells and whistles to get out.

    Forget about all that movie stuff and techniques. Too much thinking slows you down and gets you sliced up.

    I also was taught a method of cross drawing the blade lower right to upper left against the assailant's face while the return strike takes him in the neck or chest. Simple, no frills and very viciously fast.

    But thank god, Im too fat, too old and too slow/clumsy to be playing with the sharp things these days. The steak knive gets away from my dinner plate from time to time.

    One other thing, you probably WILL get hit with a knife as well or something else. As far as Im concerned, it's even stevens.

    I was once dropped by a person who rubbed his fist and said that knives were for wussies who dont know how to hit properly. (in his other hand was a 6 foot chain with inch long links) I learned that little lesson. (And well deserved too... thank you whoever you are for using the least amount of force to end that little problem =)
     
  3. hankdatank1362

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    Take some courses in Sayoc Kali or Pencak Silat. Personally, if given the choice of any edged weapons instructor, Steve Tarani would be high up on the top of my list.

    Search Youtube for Steve Tarani. Some is a bit showy and would be difficult for anyone who doesn't live and breathe edged weapons combat to employ in an actual fight, but I've brought up the topic with a couple Feds that Steve has trained, and they have the basics down cold and could easily defeat a moderatley skilled knife-wielding assailant (i.e. me when we tussled ;)).
     
  4. Todd A

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    One option is to use Google and sift through all the hits. There are some on this board who can possibly recomend material by top end instructors.Perhaps they will chime in.

    In my opinion a knife isn't a great choice for SD. If it comes to it I'll use a pocket stick/fist load before my knife comes out.

    That said IMHO the very basics are

    a)to be able to deploy your knife quickly,

    b)know basic anatomy to choose the most effective targets

    c) be able to instantly see openings to hit those targets

    No matter which "style" you choose to train in I don't see a true "choreographed" knife fight ever happening on the street. It would most likely be you pulling your knife to quickly stop a guy who is imitating a singer sowing machine.
     
  5. hso

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    read some of what's already been posted here and you'll see that the best recommendation is to get some training first hand, next is to get videos from credible sources, lastly is to just keep it simple.
     
  6. rcmodel

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    The best technique is to run.

    Even the winner in a knife fight is going to lose some blood, or worse.

    rc
     
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    Run.
    Get through 'that' door, drop knife, kick under door for door stop.
    Keep running.


    Use Enough Tennis Shoe
     
  8. Floppy_D

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    +1 rcmodel and sm. We had a brief on knife fighting, and the two main points were "Don't stop fighting when you get cut" and "Don't stop fighting when you see blood." I have zero interest in being in a knife fight. I carry a pocket knife regularly but it'll be a cold day in hell when I use it as a weapon.
     
  9. Carl Levitian

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    My own techniques for knife fighting;

    When the other guy in an altercation pulls a knife, that's when you take your blackthorn/hornbeam/locust/ash/or other tough walking stick, and swing like the stickball games you played as a kid. Swing hard and fast, and break anything in the path of the stick.

    Then run like a scalded cat!

    If your too old or semi-gimped up to run, like some of us, then once you break something, keep swinging. Like Linda Hamilton told the shrink in Termanator 2; "There's 209 bones in the human body. That's one."
     
  10. Todd A

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    Great. Another piece of tactical equipment I need to add to my EDC carry load.:(

    I wear work boots.:banghead:
     
  11. sidheshooter

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    I'll go one step further than our esteemed HSO and say, "the best recommendation (beyond avoidance, of course) is to get some training on simple techniques first hand, from credible sources-who have videos out to reinforce what you've learned."

    I'll also say that the more I learn about edged weapons, the less I like the idea of being around when one is in use. That's some serious stuff, right there.
     
  12. vicdotcom

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    Dont forget to make sure you pait it black or digi.
     
  13. Macmac

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    My answer to a knife fight is going to end in a bang... now a knife will be handy after that bang to collect the scalp. Gotta give ya that much.. :D
     
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    Carl has a good answer. If you know the other guy has a knife, use something else. Something, anything, to create distance. A firearm if you have it, but if not, anything long or throwable.

    John
     
  15. Hungry Seagull

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    Knives are one thing, hanguns and long guns are another. Lead pipes, bats etc are all good.

    But when they haul out a sword.... it's difficult to function due to that fear feeling. Personally I feel lucky never to have faced a sword becuase in my line of work, there were plenty of shops selling swords in various places and Katanas were good short ones for in-cab defense.

    Chain was my favorite distance weapon. As a old flatbedder, grabbing 10 feet of 1/2 inch chain, wrap a few lengths somewhere on your person and use the last 7 feet or so to strike or wrap assailent's arm.

    Sometimes that chain had a binder on the end. Those were solid forgings up to 2 feet long apeice.

    I have a bad memory now so.. I leave it here.
     
  16. Macmac

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    New Hampshire law doesn't make a difference in weapons. If you use a stick to harm someone, you may as well use a gun...

    So if someone should pull a baton, a bat, a knife it is all the same as if he pulled a gun. Swords too..

    I lost my father in law and his 2nd wife to murder by stabbings. My wife wasn't a very happy camper for a very long time and she sort of still isn't.

    Since that day I have carried one gun anywhere while on my place, and 2 guns any time I leave this place. I mean anywhere, any place any building and any state. I don't even sit here to typo un-armed, not ever.

    Never again is SWAT going to be 3 hours too late for me and mine.

    We often go to upstate Ny as that is where my wife is from. In the doing I must travel thru Mass.. Both states have draconian law, and I just don't care.. No more murders on my watch PERIOD.

    A stick might fend off a bad dog, but you won't catch me fending off a human assailant with a knife, bat ot stick. The idea of me carrying a sword, while I have 2 is silly.
     
  17. Omaha-BeenGlockin

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    Best knife technique---

    Run or pull your pistol.
     
  18. bikerdoc

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    I wrote this a few months ago



     
  19. Macmac

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    Doc, I can buy that... At 57 years I don't run all that fast anymore, mostly due to back injury.

    I only run at primitive black powder events, but I walk alot everyday. At least 1 mile, and much more often a lot more than that working, but everyday I walk the dogs 1 mile just before dinner.

    Attending black powder events I get to thro knife and hawk, plus shoot flinters, so I am sort of training.

    Now the mental set for me is hard up. Most of the time i am a nice guy, often times too nice, but make a threat to me and mine and I get pretty mean.

    The ones who leave are far better off than the ones that still want that test...

    Coming in 2nd best in a duel of life isn't going to work in my book.

    And of course 'we' as 'we' are are always the last to find out we just arrived in that duel of life.

    That bad guy is well aware of what his plans are before 'we' do.

    I figure when a bad comes to a home with people already inside he knows that, and then if still he enters it is going to be you or him as the victim, and i always choose him....

    If given the chance to walk and it is in public I will walk every time... Not given that choice means I am not going to use a knife or sticks, rocks, clubs, batons or anything else other than a gun.

    Been there once and the system failed, then there were the murders and again the system failed...

    There is no way I will wait for the system again. Come play bad guy with me and your gonna need 6 men to carry you away..

    not you Doc that is a figure of speech..... :eek:
     
  20. poilu

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    if you're talking about probable real world situations, i think hungry seagull and todd a got it right. now if you're talking about less likely one on one duelling situations, there are many excellent styles out there.
     
  21. hso

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    Dueling is further removed from reality than knife fighting, and knife "fighting" (fighting a knife wielder with a knife) isn't very realistic anyway.
     
  22. feudalson

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    a knife should only be used in last resort knife fights are bloody and not always over as quickly as one would think.... fighting with a knife like many egded weapons is all about distance... and interception.. .. if they reach for you punish whatever is closer... anything that comes in reach strike it quick in and out... its not like the movies with intracit combos and blades klinking together... more often than not one guy goes to the morgue and the other to the hospital... of course all this is a last resort ... when entering a knife fight you may as well figure your gonna give something... moblity dexterity ...
     
  23. Loyalist Dave

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    Yep Kali or Escrima (same family with many different sub styles) or Silat are good ideas. You ARE going to be cut, but the question is will you be cut in a flesh wound or something much more serious? Training gives you a better "chance" at avoiding the latter.

    Knives are used up close and personal, and having watched knife attacks (not limited to prison videos) caught on cameras, the person under attack does not have time to get out a firearm nor to extend the distance and escape. In some cases the victim didn't know they were knifed until the second or third wound was inflicted.

    Watch Surviving Edged Weapons to get a good idea of what could occur. No it's not a training video, but more of a warning, and yes the guys playing the bad-guys are expert knife wielders, but it makes you wonder how untrained a BG could be and still do alot of damage to an equally untrained victim?

    LD
     
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    The truth is that your are about 10 times more likely to have to defend yourself against and edged weapon than ever use one, even to defend yourself. My research from talking to several different prisons, police and looking at my personal collection has shown that the average sized of edged weapon will be around four inches. You are most likely to face box cutters, steak knives and screwdrivers. You will likely not see the weapon, so if your training is based on weapon recognition you will not fare well. Because most eged weapons carried by bad guys are either good for cutting or stabbing, seldom both, their attacks are weapon fixated and cyclic. This can be a good thing since the angles are normally repetitious and not flowing.

    Defenses need to be principle not technique based and help you to do three things-
    Block/evade the cut through suppression or redirection.
    Get cut as little as possible
    Control the offending hand leading you into central nervous systems disruption and joint destruction of the elbows and knees. Take away his ability to think, hold the knife and stand.- George
     
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