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Knoxville Paper Publishes Map of CCW!

Discussion in 'Activism Discussion and Planning' started by Bainx, Nov 3, 2007.

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  1. Jake Jost

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    Hi, folks.

    I'm the analyst who did the study and wrote the commentary which Oana quoted above.

    Points to consider:

    --Absolutely no names or addresses published.

    --Rudy, HSO, I appreciate you fellas being the voice of reason.

    --BainX, presumably, is the same as "Alarmed," who posted on our message boards. He posted essentially the same thing on the Firing Line message boards. "Alarmed" thought it germane to make veiled threats to my family and the families of staff members.

    --We're a television station, rather than a newspaper--the NBC affiliate in Knoxville, WBIR.

    --Our study really didn't have any notions of demonstrating effectiveness or lack of effectiveness of Tennessee's permit program. We saw a spike in the number of local folks seeking the permit after a high-profile double murder in which the victims apparently did not know the perpetrators. We became interested in who, in the general and non-individual sense, was making use of the program. We analyzed the program for the purpose of seeing the geographic trend, then ran socioeconomic correlations with Census info. The question it raises, which I intend to try to answer, is whether the economic split we saw is a sign of inequality in the way the program is administered. Are the permit and training fees a barrier? Why aren't the folks who traditionally would most need the permits getting them?

    --I'm a patient guy, slow to anger--part of the temperament I got from my old man. I'm not going to take the veiled threats made by a few reactionary buffoons as being indicative of all or even most gun owners and enthusiasts. On the other hand, it's not really a reasonable expectation that other news folks will respond similarly. My friendly advice: consider Alarmed and BainX (if they're not the same person, though they likely are) a case study in how not to respond to the press, if you'd like to be an effective advocate. Making vague threats is likely a pretty reliable way to turn an objective or on-the-fence journalist into an anti, as you like to call them. Somebody threatens you, you're likely to hold a grudge.

    --Knowing as I do that gun owners and enthusiasts are a widely-varied group in terms of make-up, it's not a reasonable expectation for everybody else to be able to prevent one person from reacting reflexively and doing something foolish. All the same, it might be a worthwhile conversation for gun folks to have. You really don't want the village idiot to lead the parade. Some of your level-headed members have done a great job assuring others that we're not out to invade their privacy, and we do appreciate it.

    --You can reach me at jjost@wbir.gannett.com if you'd like to ask any additional questions or make additional comments on our story and commentary. If you are interested in seeing any of the correlation tables, I'd be happy to share them. (Do note we will not be sharing any individually specific/identifiable information.)

    Regards,
    --Jake, wbir.com
     
  2. Sgt_nick_fury

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    Jake I'm more curious about the quote...

    what is this based on? having been born and raised in East Tennessee that figure does not seem to be remotely correct.

    I can't seem to get the original article to come up from the links.....I'm just curious.
     
  3. Cougfan2

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    Jake, thank you for a measured and reasonable response. Don't know if you are a shooter, but if you're ever out Portland Oregon way, give me a PM and I'll take you shooting. :)
     
  4. Jake Jost

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    Hi, guys.

    Cougfan: I'll let you know!

    Sarge: That number is the number of currently valid permits in the state of Tennessee, as of the date of our data (April 2007), referenced with the most recent Census bureau estimate of state population. The number of folks with guns but no carry permit is likely to be much, much higher.

    --Jake, wbir.com
     
  5. Im283

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    Jake Jost says
    The gist I see is that the people living in poorer areas of Knox seem to be on the low percentage of permits. Why don't you go to Lonsdale or N. Knoxville and seek out gun carriers who do not have permits. I am sure you all could do this by using neighborhood contacts the station surely has. I would be very interested in seeing this on the news. Finding out that middle class, white, family men make up the bulk of HCP holders was kind of a let down.

    FWIW I do watch WBIR most every day for news, and Jeff Lee is a righteous dude so I believe your news to be truthful.
     
  6. Oana

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    Thanks to Mr. Jost for sharing with us here. :)
    Kudos to your station for using the information for research purposes, instead of just publishing individual permit holders' information.
     
  7. K-Romulus

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    Thanks, Jake, for posting here. I'm sorry you had to deal with the BS from people who didn't seem to bother to even read what you had produced.

    This is a huge issue that you should definitely look at. Maybe even do a comparison of Tennesse to states that allow issuing authorities to deny permits at will (like Maryland).
     
  8. hso

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    Jake,

    The problem with the internet is that anyone can say anything about anything at any time that an outlet is made available for their ranting. Not much filtering is possible. When an idiot gets online there's no telling who's village they came from (or even if they belonged to a village in the first place).

    Also, please note that the majority of folks that respond to any comment line are going to be negative because they're the folks primarily motivated to take the time to key something up. Biased sample.

    I think the inequality issue about the permit fees and training costs should be explored.
     
  9. Grizzly Adams

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    Jake,

    Not all gun enthusiasts are like Bainx and not all reports/journalist are as honest as you appear to be. Please let me add my apologies to that of the others of my fellow THR members that I'm sure you will be hearing from.

    Buel Adams
     
  10. gunsmith

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    gunnerpalace and Jake

    You see, a criminal should think everyone is armed.
    In Ohio a few years ago when we started getting these alerts on thr
    a guy was killed and his gun taken from him, after getting his personal info
    in the paper as a ccw holder.
    The culprit was never caught afaik.
    AMW featured a story a year or so ago about a guy that
    killed a police officer, simply because he needed a gun and he knew
    a cop would be armed.
    A gun is not a magic talisman, you can be jumped from behind and killed BECAUSE the criminal KNOWS you have a gun.
    Some psycho lefty may just want to kill a "right wing gun nut"
    Indy media.org a left wing moon bat website had a member who executed a
    police officer (in NorCal) just so he could post and brag about it!

    I consider every newspaper that publishes names of ccw holders to have reckless disregard for the lives of the people they are affecting.

    So, thanks Jake for coming on board and being so honest, but please understand , people have been killed by names being published
    so some of us fight back when stuff like this happens.
    Thanks for being so sporting and sorry you got caught in the crosshairs before it got straightened out.
    Now...go get yerself a ccw and a cool gun!
     
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