KT Sub2000 Gen 2 on Gunbroker

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Had an opportunity to test new iron sights at the Wicen's range recently:

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With the majority falling in an inch band about 6" wide, I'm curious if the sight post spring tension (mentioned in the nutn'fancy test disclaimer) is contributing to the horizontal string.....:confused: ...along with my old eyes.....

Well, that's a nice tidy 12MOA weapon :scrutiny:

I guess when I said in the Chuck Hawks thread that everyone's making accurate rifles, I should have said everyone but Keltec!?!
 
Well, that's a nice tidy 12MOA weapon :scrutiny:

I guess when I said in the Chuck Hawks thread that everyone's making accurate rifles, I should have said everyone but Keltec!?!
ok Big D, we've been pretty damn tolerant of your anti-S2K rhetoric....

but at this point you are clearly just trolling the thread and contributing nothing to the discussion...and IMO, your last post is crossing the line.

like any Mother worth her salt would say to a child: "if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all"
 
Yeah, my 40 cal sub2000 does about 3 MOA which is really all I ask for in a cheap pistol carbine. That target above looks more like 6 MOA or so. Judging the accuracy of a rifle on one target group is absurd though.

Also, If we required all MOA measurements to be done with 10 or more shots with no flyers, there would be a whole lot of rifles out there (of any caliber) that would have their accuracy down graded, some by quite a bit. A 10 shot group is a more accurate picture of what a rifle/shooter are capable of, but few people quote measurements with that many rounds.
 
... "if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all"

Thanks for the intervention allivak; it's always going to be the same tune from Big D :eek:
The front sight spring is a bit weak & I'm told that Kel-Tec is workin' on a fix....
Part of the horizontal string is my poor eyesight ~ but I will slog on ;)
Tryin' to stay on the High Road here .....

... A 10 shot group is a more accurate picture of what a rifle/shooter are capable of ....

The rifle is much better than the shooter...
 
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yeah your grouping in that latest picture does appear to show some sort of horizontal walking.....but it seems like an issue with the sight post wandering around would severely affect the accuracy of the gun when using iron sights and the problem would be extremely noticeable by other sub2000 owners. MAYBE they use loctite or something at the factory and the problem only arises AFTER someone attempts to adjust the sight for the first time?? I'd try to eliminate some variables and narrow down your search

I've never adjusted my front sight and hope to keep it that way since my Sub2000 came zeroed in for 50 yards. in fact, one of the most noticeable attributes of the Sub2000 is its accuracy....everyone who's shot my gun has commented on how accurate it is for a 9mm round. i think the mistake alot of people are making is they try to compare the ballistics/accuracy of the S2K with that of a true rifle like an AR-15 when it is clearly, an apples to oranges comparison.
 
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....show some sort of horizontal walking.....but it seems like an issue with the sight post wandering around would severely affect the accuracy of the gun when using iron sights ...

I agree with your comments & looking at the windage spring (part #528).
The replacement sight post is of good quality ~ but I can flex the sight holder when applying a slight side-to-side push on the post.
We'll see if that is the culprit :confused:
 
My gen2 came out of the box sighted in at 50 yards. Its a tad high, but i was using 9mm nato ammo. I want to try with wwb and see it it comes down. It was only 2" high.
 
I have a SUB 2K Gen 2 also mine seems to be lacking in the accuracy department as well.

Not sure if it's me, the trigger or the sights but I seem to be much more accurate with my Scorpion Evo 3.


I will check to see if my sight is working loose.
 
I agree with your comments & looking at the windage spring (part #528).
The replacement sight post is of good quality ~ but I can flex the sight holder when applying a slight side-to-side push on the post.
We'll see if that is the culprit :confused:
yeah please let us know what you figure out....regardless I don't think its you're marksman skills or eyesight ;) and its probably safe to say the front sight needs another re-design from Kel-Tec.

maybe some aftermarket people like Tandemkross would be interested in producing an improved assembly for the Gen2 model as well.
 
yeah please let us know what you figure out....regardless ...

In looking more closely, the sight body is firm on my subbie. Honing in, the windage assembly seems to be in question.
I'm going to try to find a windage spring replacement that will provide more tension in the sight holder unit.
Unfortunately, I won't have an opportunity to get over to the outdoor range for a couple weeks; will report back ASAP :scrutiny:
 
already out of stock....from what I've been told, most stores only receive 5-6 S2Ks at a time from Kel-Tec so if you find a place that has them in stock, don't wait to make a purchase.
 
the caliber has a huge affect on the price(especially on the secondary market), so I think it important to note what version of the gun they were selling at that price.

I've had almost no trouble finding .40S&W Gen2s and have even seen some going for under $400 brand new. meanwhile the 9mm versions remain extremely elusive and overpriced....the only place I know that actually has one in stock is asking $559. I did however, see one on display recently for $499...BUT when I asked about it, they told me it was for display only and the gun was still on backorder :( ...obviously they couldn't provide any sort of time frame either because Kel-Tec doesn't tell them anything.
 
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The one I mentioned for $419 is a 40 S&W. I didn't inquire about a 9 because I wasn't interested in that caliber. Next time I'm in there I'll inquire.
 
I've been the staunch detractor of the Sub 2K for many years, as many as I've been a member here. Having owned and fired examples of the Gen 1 carbines, one soul think I had learned my lesson the first go around. Bad sights, bad trigger, and a marketing gimmick that had many, including myself, overlook the important things. One of the biggest caveats for me was optics mounting, or rather, lack thereof. If I cannot feasibly mount an optic to the weapon AND fold it for unassuming storage, then why exactly am I excited about a defensive PCC that I cannot utilize efficiently?

Now, enter the Gen 2. All the things that plagued the Gen 1 and gave me grief, they've worked on. Railed, better retention when folded, improved iron sights, and a slimmer, more lithe profile than its predecessor.

I, however, cannot justify purchasing one still. To me, it is just a less fugly Gen 1. Maybe someday, but I can still put my Mini Draco, 995TS, and even my RAS 47 in duffle bags, and they all have optics. No folding (well, the RAS stock side folds) necessary to have a more potent weapon system in a tight fitting package.

Someday, when Keltec decides to make one in 10mm, ill cantilever mount a Holosun 403G and drink y'all's koolaid though.
 
....One of the biggest caveats for me was optics mounting, or rather, lack thereof. If I cannot feasibly mount an optic to the weapon AND fold it for unassuming storage, then why exactly am I excited about a defensive PCC that I cannot utilize efficiently? Now, enter the Gen 2....necessary to have a more potent weapon system in a tight fitting package....

That consideration has been solved:

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Guess that KelTec needs to get started on that 10mm :)
 
That consideration has been solved:

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Guess that KelTec needs to get started on that 10mm :)
Apparently, you missed my statement about a cantilever mount. It's been done already.

Yes, KelTec needs a 10mm Auto for me to get warm fuzzies. They make some seriously neat products, but I fail to get excited over the sub par Sub 2K. If I wanted a folding carbine with nominal optics mounting AND superior fire power, I'd go SU-16 C.

One thing I cannot argue is the compatibility with Glock. Gotta love that.
 
why people insist on comparing the Sub2000 with guns chambered in true rifle calibers is beyond me....you guys are looking at the Sub2000 all wrong.
 
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why people insist on comparing the Sub2000 with guns chambered in true rifle calibers is beyond me....you guys are looking at the Sub2000 all wrong.
Well, I tend to disagree here.

I, personally, sang the praises of PCCs and their use for any number of things from arming the recoil sensitive amongst us, to the ammunition compatibility between pistol and rifle platforms. There is, however, one point I could not contest, and that is a handgun is well suited to being a weapon id use to fight my way to a rifle. I'd prefer my rifle not be only mildly more powerful than my handgun. The fact that a Sub 2K folds is not important to me. If a folding rifle were the order of the day, then reread my last post.

If we are talking about a fun gun, it is that. But for social work, there are better PCCs in its stable. "Better" being a subjective term I use to describe my objective experience with the platform in question. Bad sights (improved in the Gen 2, however), unappealing trigger, and a reciprocating charging handle very near my face. I like its lack of heft, its stow and go capabilities, and the magazine compatibility options. There are just simply better options out there.

So, its not that I'm comparing a pistol "rifle" to a full bore rifle (ill assume we are discussing intermediate cartridges) as there is no comparison to be had. If we are putting PCCs on a pedestal against each other, the Sub 2K, then it I FAR from this shooter's favorite.

Unless, of course, they can beat out a rifle upper for the Glock 20. Teehee.
 
cool...one of the first things I noticed about my 9mm Gen2 Sub2000 was that it actually had a fair amount of recoil. nothing severe or really even worth mentioning, but it was just a little surprising because I had assumed a 9mm chambered carbine would be essentially recoil-free. my friend said 95% of the recoil was from the bolt slamming around back/forth due to the simple blowback design....if thats true, this heavier bolt could definitely help.

the review on the kel-tec website makes a good point....you could add even more mass to the bolt group by adding a simple extended charging handle made of something really heavy. it would be far less expensive and would be really cool if someone designed one that is slightly offset and has a 90 degree turn so you could actually charge the gun from the side(s) instead of from the bottom. try to picture a reversible, ambidextrous "U" shaped handle/latch that would extend to either side of the buffer tube.
 
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The 40 cal has a decent recoil also, but I figured it was largely because it was so light weight.

I get a front sight upgrade from tandemkross.com. Replacement metal sight insert and metal threaded piece to hold it in place. They had other upgrade options available. I decided against getting a railed hand guard. IMO, it detracts from the compactness of the gun.

With my carbine, I can shoulder it and easily put rounds on paper at 100 yards. I can't do that with a pistol. Yeah, a rifle would be better, but most are not this compact or light weight. If you really want a compact rifle, the SU16 isn't a bad option.
 
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