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L.E.O.s : Would you confiscate?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by mountaindrew, Jun 2, 2004.

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  1. mountaindrew

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    Everone here, to some extent, seems to fear an eventual massive gun-grab by the goverment. I dont doubt that some day, someone will try, but my question is this to any law enforcement officers, soldiers, and national gaurd: How would you respond to a sweeping order of disarmament? Would you enforce a complete gun-ban for your fellow citizens?
    Also, how feasible would it be? Could such an order be enforced realisticaly?

    I have read some sociology experiments and we all know the lesson of Nazi Germany, that proves that normal people can be made to do horrible things under orders from a pecieved authority. How do you think average Americans would react?
     
  2. jnojr

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    Most people would turn their guns in. They did it in England and Australia. The thought of being a felon isn't much fun.
     
  3. mercedesrules

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    They already enforce partial ones. I'm pessimistic about it. :uhoh:

    MR
     
  4. La Pistoletta

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    The 2nd Amendment is being attacked, but would it really not protect from such a thing?

    "If you want my gun, you must first get the key to my gun closet. Guess what I keep near the key?"

    Sounds a little fruity, but you know what I mean. ;)
     
  5. meathammer

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    I agree with jnojr. Most people will turn them in. I'm single, in a relationship and I often think about those with a wife/husband, kids, etc.

    Those people have a lot to lose if they chose to defy such a ban/confiscation. I'm not saying that I have nothing to lose by any means, but freedom is very important to me.

    If the 2A goes, many other rights will be trampled on enforcing the ban/confiscaton.

    What would I do? Probably "lose" a rifle or two or "Nope, I sold that gun."

    What would your priorities be? Fight it, end up in prison, and leave your family on their own? Yes, most people would fold. Some would not, and they would be shown to be terrorists, militants, psychopaths on the 6:00 news.

    A very scary thought. I would not want to be the one knocking on doors. This type of confiscation would be extremely difficult to pull off, which is the reason the powers that be do it a little at a time.

    :uhoh:
     
  6. fix

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    From the looks of this thread, we're screwed. :(
     
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    We've been screwed in FDR and 1932.
     
  8. Preacherman

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    I think a lot would depend on where you live. Here in the South, I'm sure most LEO's and Feds (including me) would do something like call you and say "I'm going to be there in two hours - I have to check that you don't have any guns in your possession. Is that OK with you?" I'm sure that when I arrived to inspect, I wouldn't find any guns - right? :D

    We try... ;)
     
  9. wolf

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    bit by bit

    when that time comes...and it seems that it will..it will be a "natural" evolution...like smoking..now in some cities you cant even smoke in your own condo because it is "attached" to the non smoker next door..

    many are considered evil for just driving a SUV..and there are groups formed and forming to make sure you wont be able to buy one...

    silly you say..it cant happen here..suzy creamcheese would disagree..

    images of mad max and blade runner are not that far away now..there will be the few that resist openly...and the underground..outlaws all

    today the city of los angeles is taking a very small cross out of its city seal..someone found the cross offensive and the ACLU decided to sue..the city folded..there were no demonistrations or debates on TV..it just "happened" think about this for a min..LA is the second largest city in the country.

    some of you will be able to say..."i used to be able shoot my gun at a target range." people will laugh at you and say..."yeah yeah...next you will be telling us that you could smoke cigerettes in a bar during business hours"


    wolf
     
  10. TallPine

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    My advice: "Don't!"
     
  11. Black92LX

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    Actually in Aulstralia that was not the case. i don't remember exact numbers but i believe they expected somewhere around 10 million guns or more to be turned in. And just over 150,000 were.
     
  12. Zundfolge

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    I would venture to guess that there are many LEOs who wouldn't confiscate ... but then they would be fired, jailed or quit and some snot nosed kid raised in our anti-gun public schools would take his place.

    If our government ever goes for wholesale confiscation it will be messy but they will win in the end ... thing is they won't just say "okay Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them in!" they will keep enacting stupid things like the AWB (also, if technology ever moves beyond firearms to something like particle beam weapons or such then those will never be legal in the first place).
     
  13. Carlos Cabeza

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    Yeah, I guess so. BACK THE TRUCK UP AGENT SCHMUCKATELLI ! You're gonna need a tommy lift. That's all I got 'cept for this here rubber band gun that I made for my son, you want that too ? OK I suppose it's alright............ ;)
     
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    I'd probably do something similar to preacherman. "Hi I've come to pick up your guns sir" "Oh you don't have them anymore, darn what a shame" "Mind if I take a look?" "Nope, you're right I sure don't see any guns in here....you have yourself a nice day now!" :D :evil:
     
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    I think the government will go after the ammo rather than try to confiscate 100 million plus guns in the U.S..

    First they will make ALL factory ammo LEO. Possession of LEO ammo will be a felony with a draconian punishment.


    Then they will close the "hand-loading loophole".



    A gun without ammo is a........paper-weight.:uhoh:



    Never say never.




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    Britian had a similar turnout. The only way to make a gun turn-in stick is by enforcing it with JBTs. For some reason that doesn't go over well. ;)
     
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    I doubt that many guns would be turned in at all. Most guns in this country (at least long arms) are unregistered, and without registration there can be no confiscation. I have heard that when the call went out in California to register all "assault rifles", some people did not do so. I think this would happen again, except on an unprecedented scale.

    If another call went out, "Mr and Mrs America turn them all in", I suspect that there would be quite a lot of interesting stuff for future archeologists to dig up.

    Tim
     
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    Reynolds Wrap time

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    The only way total disarmament can occur is incrementally. If they ever tried complete gun ban/confiscation or an ammo ban all at once, we would fight back. Simply put, no one in this country today can fathom giving over that much freedom.

    So long as no one in this country tomorrow can fathom giving up that much freedom we don't need to worry about a gun ban. Teach your kids the right thing, confront their teachers at school, write to your legislators, take an anti to the range, promote personal responsibility and the day we on this board fear so much will never come.

    That being said if a total ban/confiscation order were done today I'd say at least half our armed forces/police force would not enforce it. If called to enforce it many would desert.
     
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    I disagree with this statement

    "That being said if a total ban/confiscation order were done today I'd say at least half our armed forces/police force would not enforce it. If called to enforce it many would desert."

    From my time in service I can tell you the majority of folks don't own guns, the ones that do have them are for home security and a few are hobbyists.
    Most don't know gun laws or care and sadly many don't even vote.
    a lot of the military are city kids who weren't raised around guns.
    Most members of the Air Force and Navy will shoot a gun only once in their career during basic training/boot camp.

    The military practices gun confiscation here in the United States in preperation for "overseas" urban combat.
    People were abused in Iraqi prisons for months and few complained for fear of getting in trouble.
    You think most of these folks won't do what ever they are told to do?
     
  22. WonderNine

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    How could they? I thought they all swore to uphold and defend the Constitution? :rolleyes: /sarcasm
     
  23. CarlS

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    Having been both in the National Guard and in the active Army, I think the National Guard would not be effective in gun confiscation. The active duty force is a different thing. As someone said above, a lot on non-gun owners on active duty.
     
  24. Michigander

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    If everyone who has ever uttered "molon labe" or "from my cold dead hands" meant it and means it, it will be a bloody mess.

    If, OTOH, these phrases are/were mere words with no faith backing them, then it will not be very bloody at all.

    Sad we are even having this discussion. :(

    editted to answer the original question:

    Would I? NO! We have to draw a line in the sand somewhere. This is where my line in the sand is. All firearms I own were legally obtained. They are mine! I am not a criminal. Even if a "law" comes about which states that the posession of a Rifle I own is illegal, TOO BAD!

    If my local Police Cheif or Sherriff called me up and said they were coming to see if I had any firearms, I'd tell them to make sure they have a warrant, because if I have learned anything from THR, I have learned to NEVER CONSENT TO A SEARCH!
     
  25. Ben Shepherd

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    I'm single, all but 2 of my friends are already gone, and I'm already a little bitter towards my tax burden and lack of freedom, so you can guess what my reaction will be.

    I hope I am never forced, but if it comes to that, I'll be fighting for what little I have left, with nothing but that to lose. I most likely won't live through it, but there will be a pile of brass around me if I get the slightest chance at resisting.

    Something about feed the hogs.........

    FWIW: I went to school with most the local LEOs and they won't confiscate. In fact I've shot with most of them a few times.

    One brother works for the county as a mechanic, and ALL the deputies and the sherriff are on the correct side.

    A second brother is all but hired on with the highway parol, and all the troopers he has discussed this with are on our side as well.

    So at least in Utah, we seem to be OK.

    Now then: Everyone go read Unintended Consequences again, then have a little "think session" with thier inner self.
     
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