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L.L.Bean Added to Those Opposed to the Constitution

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  1. drk1

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    Saw that L.L.Bean had "agreed" with what it called a "superfan" to stop selling guns. Now the only place that L.L. Bean sold guns was in the original store in Maine, but it built its name and success on selling clothing to hunters and outdoorsmen. I just finished boxing up all my L.L. Bean items. I will be sending them back tomorrow with a note explaining that I will never buy or wear one of their products again!
     
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    While that is a good approach to pointing out to a company our displeasure with a political stance against the 2A we need to be sure they've taken a stance officially and our information is accurate. Please provide a link showing that the company made a policy statement they were discontinuing gun sales instead of some lesser statement.

    All I can find is their adoption of a 21 to buy rule on a Twitter response instead of discontinuing gun sales. This is the same policy change that Walmart made.

     
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    [Yawn] Not the first time LLBean has come out against some of its better customers.
     
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    You could also just stab yourself in the hand with a pencil: it would have exactly the same effect on LL Bean. They already have your money and now you want to spend even more on postage. This is just self-harming behavior.

    There are better ways. A nice note perhaps, with a photo of all the stuff you’ve bought from them over the years. Or a list...
     
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    Great idea. Photo would pack more punch than a list.
     
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    They are trying fairly successfully to turn themselves into a mostly Internet retailer. maybe guns just do not fit into that retail model.
     
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    If we are to boycott all of the manufacturers of consumer goods whose management is anti-gun, one suspects we will end up making our own clothing out of fabric we spin and leather from game we kill ... (And who made your sewing machine and what are the political views of that company's management?).

    In my area, those who buy all their sportswear from LL Bean and REI go hiking in the national parks to photograph the mountain goats, hug a few trees and take congratulatory selfies on the summit while tweeting about what great outdoorsmen they are ... And unfortunately, they seem to vastly outnumber the hunters and gun owners in my state who can't even get more than 12% of the registered voters in even the most pro-gun counties to the polls to vote against such nonsense as I-594 (UBCs) and the liberal snowflakes who so infest the Western part of this once proud and glorious state.

    In other words, I believe that gun-owners boycotting any retailers because of a company's alleged stance on civilian gun ownership is a total non-starter. Wish I'd be proved wrong ...
     
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    Sorry, no.

    A private company’s firearm policy doesn’t render it ‘opposed’ to the Constitution.

    Neither the Constitution nor the Second Amendment apply to private entities.

    It’s this sort of reckless, irresponsible rhetoric that reflects poorly on gun owners and makes it that much more difficult to defend citizens’ rights enshrined in the Second Amendment.

    And boycotting such companies is as naïve as it is pointless.
     
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    L. L. Bean has been dying on the vine for years. They are a non-factor. Sooner rather than later, they will fade into the sun set.
     
  10. Hokie_PhD

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    I totally disagree

    For too long we’ve been quiet and too polite.
    It’s time we get vocal. It’s time we show that we’re the majority and we stand for the values this country were founded in. If we do t the leftist will continue to push harder and harder. Just look what they’re doing now because they didn’t get their way. Imagine if they were back in power.

    So yes, you’re right we have to do things that paint us in a good light. But we do have to do all we can to fight for our rights. And we need to do them on all fronts. And that means talking to people, writing letters, voting and spending our money wisely.

    In the case of LL Bean and REI there are alternatives and I’ll choose them. And making that choice known will help us not hurt us if it’s done correctly.
     
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    don't count them out just yet.

    they are doing a pretty good job of remaking themselves into an internet retailer and seller of promotional clothing. there are a lot of companies buying LL bean branded clothing with their company logo on it.

    the reality is unless you are as smart as walmart most brick and mortar stores are going to die. and walmart will only survive if they can get a big chunk of their business via the Internet. I think every retailer realizes this. It is why they are so desperate to get their Internet shopping sites functional. a lot of them took too long to realize where things were headed and it hurt them badly. think sears and kmart. I think sears never understood that their mail order businesses that had not been especially profitable for decades were not the same thing as Internet sales in the 21st century.
     
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    buy more guns. that will annoy the leftists. :)

    new monthly record set for NICS checks!

    If everyone would commit to buying just one lower a year for the $75 or so it would cost you, we could have 30 million NICS checks this year.
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    Actually, I've committed to buying at least one 30 round mag a month. I'm hoping that when my financial situation gets better that I can buy at least a gun a month. I wish I could do one a week but I'm nowhere near that point yet. Of course, a "gun" as you point out can be a stripped lower, and I might be ok with buying more lowers ;-)

    Our idiot governor and AG here in Va want a gun a month purchase limit. These idiots don't care about "safety" they only want to make it as hard for us as possible to defend ourselves, and be able to stand up to them.

    Personally, I'm at the point that I wish we'd go to Richmond and remove those idiots from office. And even posting this, makes those of us who say such things possible targets. But one can hope and pray that we wake up and take back our country before it gets ugly.
     
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    I don't understand how a company policy focused on part of the BOR or Constitution doesn't make it for or against that part of the BOR or Constitution? I'm sure that you're familiar with companies that have violated rights of individuals that were guaranteed under the Amendments. It may be a stretch to say that Bank of America or REI is violating the rights of citizens by changing company policies, but it isn't the same as saying they are not opposed to the 2A.
     
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    The same people buying more guns is not the answer, we need new people buying guns, otherwise gun ownership is not growing.
     
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    While their new return policy is only for one year, LL Bean says on their site that items purchased before the new policy, that is, before Feb. 9, 2018, still have a lifetime return or REFUND option.

    Now if a national organization who is opposed to Bean's gun philosophy coordinated the boxing up on a certain day everything their members have ever bought from Bean in the past and the members all asked for a REFUND with a note explaining they are no longer satisfied with the items, oh, and by the way, I'm opposed to your gun policies, that just might get their attention.

    If the number of items returned generated REFUNDS in the millions of dollars, that would definitely get their attention.
     
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    I won't shop LL Bean or Dicks either anymore but i can't blame these under profit achieving company's for trying a marketing strategy that will get them headlines and remind people of their brand name. eCom sales are probably growing within each company but my guess based on the 2017 Q4 statements i've looked at the eCom side isn't making up for the losses they are seeing from operating the brick and mortar stores. Trouble is that without a brick and mortar presence then the brand name from the public store is no longer visible to the public and that's a challenge as well. Companies are trying the figure out how to balance that B&M presence. Also doesn't do much good to have a free ship to store model if the nearest store is too far away. Thing is that the demographic they are trying to target with these we won't sell MSR or guns to under 21 strategies are i think mostly aimed at young people and they are already firmly rooted in the amazon warp and while they may see a short term support i don't see it lasting.

    https://sgbonline.com/l-l-bean-forgoes-bonuses-after-challenging-year/
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/13/dicks-sporting-goods-earnings-q4-2017.html
     
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    Like Orvis, REI, and lately Danner, Filson et al, many have shipped their manufacturing to Asia and the cheapness has emerged where previously things were high quality. When I worked in corporate, Land's End and LL Bean were my go-to places for corporate clothes and outdoor clothes that were made in the US and actually FIT right. Sadly, the companies like these have been bought and sold to "investment groups" who only want to max immediate profit and then sell off the remains
     
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    Are you sure it is the clothing at fault for not fitting right or have you perhaps changed shape in some way over the years. :)
     
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    Quality of manufacturing; cheaper, thinner material, uneven seams, etc........ I changed during the years and still the US made stuff fit right
     
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