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"LA is on the road to Falluja"

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  1. Preacherman

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    From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/this_world/3771411.stm):

    Last Updated: Thursday, 3 June, 2004, 13:08 GMT 14:08 UK

    LA 'on the road to Falluja'?

    By Anita Rice
    BBC News and Current Affairs

    The LA murder rate is going up and the police chief has requested more officers. But California is broke and cannot afford to recruit.

    Civil rights lawyer Connie Rice warns that with too few officers to "police humanely", parts of the city may as well be in Falluja.

    Los Angeles is notorious for gang violence, but even by LA standards 2002 was gruesome. With 658 murders in just that one year, it became America's murder capital.

    Of those murders, almost half were directly related to gang turf wars involving drugs and guns. And of those gangs, most are based in south-central or south-east LA.

    With a spiralling murder rate and poor police-community relations following the Rodney King riots and the Rampart corruption scandal, the city appointed a new chief to clean up its act.

    Amid much fanfare and hype William Bratton - the man credited with cleaning up New York's once-soaring crime rate under the political stewardship of former mayor Rudy Giuliani - was brought in to get LA under control.

    Chief Bratton immediately appointed a second deputy charged with concentrating some officers in gang areas and targeting gangs. He also prioritised improving relations with minority communities.

    'Shovelling quicksand'

    And 2003 saw the overall murder rate fall in LA by 23%, but so far this year the murder rate is back on the increase across the city.

    The LAPD's figures show a 5% year-on-year rise in homicides from Jan to April 2004.

    And while the number of homicides fell in some neighbourhoods last year, it only ever continued to rise in the hardcore gang areas.

    In civil-rights lawyer Connie Rice's words, the officers are simply "shovelling quicksand" - and without more equipment, back-up, effective witness protection, training and, crucially, more officers, they are fighting a losing battle.

    And she should know. Having worked with the community and the LAPD on various initiatives and reform programmes ever since the 1992 Rodney King case sparked riots, she is now about to begin investigating the newly re-opened Rampart police corruption scandal inquiry.

    Aside from a rising homicide rate, Ms Rice warns that the gangs are crossing a line that has not been crossed before: They are now targeting police officers themselves.

    She says: "It's one thing for gangsters to exchange fire with the police in situations, but we are now starting to see sniping. We are now seeing the ambushing of cops by gangsters and we should be panicking.

    "We are on the way to a point of no return and we will end up in a Falluja situation. It is already a Falluja situation in some areas. LA is on the road to Falluja."

    Ms Rice also claims potential witnesses are even being murdered by criminals inside jails because the prisons are "so overcrowded and thinly staffed". She says this has happened five times already this year alone.

    She also says the situation with gangs was so out of control that even older gang leaders were frightened of today's members because they do not operate within a moral framework at all.

    "Who's bringing them up?" one former Crips gang leader asked Ms Rice after telling her even he feared the younger gangsters. She warns when that happens, "We should be very, very afraid."

    Occupying army?

    Ms Rice says the way LA is policed needs to be overhauled.

    She says the LAPD's tactics resemble those of an occupying army that is effectively at war with the community and only hopes to hold criminals in one area.

    "It's a containment model. It's highly aggressive but we don't have enough cops to police humanely, just to keep crime contained."

    Police officers routinely stop and search people in a bid to get information and under the law they are free to stop anyone on probation. In these areas Ms Rice says you can presume that 80% of the population are on probation.

    She describes these tactics as creating "a police state, it is not a constitutional democracy in these areas", and believes the only way to control the gangs effectively is for the police to become part of the community.

    She says the police must "act like part of the community, live there and talk to people because the LAPD needs community intelligence.

    "The community is the only place. They are the only ones who know who is psychopathic and who's just wearing gang colours because they might get beaten or even killed."

    She claims that while Chief Bratton has made "big changes at leadership level that doesn't mean the desk sergeant gets it."

    Ms Rice is not optimistic for the future; she thinks it will take from 15 to 20 years before the changes Chief Bratton has succeeded with at leadership level reach the rank and file officers.

    California is broke and the city has not been able to fund recruiting the extra officers Chief Bratton requested.

    Ms Rice claims the city is about to close 10 swimming pools and business analysts are warning that teenagers face the toughest holiday job market this summer for 40 years.

    With the existing, simmering tensions, without any increase in police numbers and a reduction in facilities and employment, Connie Rice warns LA is facing a "very long, hot summer."

    In a statement to the BBC an LAPD spokesman quoted Chief Bratton as saying: "At a time when youth gang murders are on the rise, we need Congress to reject proposed cuts to juvenile justice funds.

    "Instead, we must increase investments in the proven community programs working with our police to cut gang crime."
     
  2. buy guns

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    so when is cali supposed to sink into the ocean?
     
  3. 41mag

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    So where's that huge earthquake I've been warned about all my life?You know,the one where California breaks off & floats away?

    Seriously though,Cali is so seemingly messed up where could you even begin to fix its problems?

    {mark Disney Land of the travel plans this summer:rolleyes: }
     
  4. Devonai

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    This isn't a news article, it's an editorial. The only person quoted other than Connie Rice is the LAPD Captain for one line at the end of the "story," and that statement agrees with the editorial point. You call this journalism?
     
  5. R.H. Lee

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    I grew up in LA. It used to be a good place to live. Now it is a stinking crime ridden multicultural cesspool. Decent people have been moving out for years. The socialist/leftist/statist/democrats made their bed. Let them lie in it. Screw 'em.
     
  6. HankB

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    None of this should be a surprise to anyone.

    This type of downward spiral has been predicted for years. Tolerance of lawlessness that breaks the peace, rampant illegal immigration, all of this has been forseen and warned against. Repeatedly.

    But what happened?

    Liberals damned the ones who made the predictions with being intolerant, racist, insenstive, insufficiently multicultural, and politically incorrect. And things continued downhill. Heck, even Hollywood "B" movies based in the "not too distant" future show this happening. (Think of Predator II or Robocop.
    Well, the offspring of the Crips and others of their ilk became what was termed "feral youth." Now yesterday's "feral youth" is breeding, and their offspring are worse. Duh. :rolleyes:
     
  7. BeLikeTrey

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    What, gun control isn't working?!

    I thought feinstein banned all the gang weapons:rolleyes:
    Better just ban them all! Make sure we replace the cops with baton toting bobbies!
     
  8. Gordon Fink

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    Los Angeles Crime Paradise Check List

    Institutionalized poverty? Check!
    Lucrative black-market opportunities? Check!
    RKBA of law-abiding residents infringed? Check!

    Any surprises? Nope!

    ~G. Fink
     
  9. El Tejon

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    How can those limp-wristed sissies out there out do our Gary?!?!:fire:

    This is an outrage; I demand a recount of bodies!
     
  10. gunsmith

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    standing wolf would say

    "I will allways miss the temperate climate and beaches"

    heh,Ive allways wanted to get that in b4 he did!
     
  11. fjolnirsson

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    Hmm,

    Makes me think of escape from LA.:p
     
  12. wolf

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    thus .. my signature

    btw: connie rice is the cousin of condi rice

    wolf
     
  13. Shanghai McCoy

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    It would appear that the Golden State was merely gilded.Too bad but I don't miss it.Lived places with better beaches and better climate.There is more to life than sun and sand...
     
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    come to florida, we have plenty of beach to go around.
     
  16. Standing Wolf

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    Good for you.
     
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    HankB, you overlooked Demolition Man.
     
  18. rayra

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    :rolleyes: at the story.
    10,000 sq. mi of people, some 23millions within 100mi of City Hall. Wall to wall people.

    That 2002 stat is 17/100,000, what's your nearest major city's murder rate?

    Have to go look for the historical data, iirc correctly, the numbers this histrionic article is based on are fairly low compared to the last ~30yrs.
     
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    if only california was a shall issue state for CCW, then we can police ourselves... :)
     
  20. Langenator

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    The problem of witnesses to gang crimes being intimidated and/or killed, and the inability of the police to protect them, isn't unique to LA. I seen several articles/editorials on the same problem in San Francisco.

    Of course, it's all in the PRK, where the state denies it's citizens the tools to protect themselves.
     
  21. La Pistoletta

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    658 murders a year. :what:
    That's more than twice that of whole Germany...
     
  22. carp killer

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    Cut off ALL welfare and food stamps in areas that have the high crime rates.
     
  23. wingman

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    Once again, as population increases, you have increased crime, more laws to control the crime+less freedom for all. Calif. is a model for the future of America
    unless we find a way to control unchecked illegal/legal immigration.. It just
    will not work folks an open door policy without checks and balances and the
    world will crush us in the end. We cannot feed half the world and bring the other
    here, while it would be "nice" to see everyone have a job, children never go to
    bed hungry, it will only be worse if America fails.:(
     
  24. 7.62FullMetalJacket

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    I, too, think it is an editorial, selectively picking facts.

    That said, however, when are we going to view street gangs as domestic terrorists? What about Order 40?
     
  25. rick_reno

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    "Proven community programs"? What a bunch of crap. The only thing proven in South Central is that gang bangers keep killing people. If they want a "proven community program", give them ammo. It's been proven they will kill each other and I'm sure it's cheaper than locking them up.
     
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