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Lama Pistol

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by kbsrn, Nov 14, 2005.

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  1. kbsrn

    kbsrn Member

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    I was at a gun show this weekend and saw a 1911 style Llama pistol in .32 caliber. It was about half the size of a 1911. Anyone know anything about these?

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  2. MrAcheson

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    In general, Llama pistols don't have a reputation for quality. This is because their 1911s are a pretty hit or miss affair. Not sure about the rest of their line, but I'd avoid them and go with something at similarly prices with a better rep. Good choices would be Bersas or Rock Island Armory pistols.
     
  3. MICHAEL T

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    Well get ready for the Llama trashing. I have had several and other than a polish of feed ramp maybe a spring change have been decent pistols I have over 1500rounds thru my present 45 compact. It was the hardest to get relieable(.3" barrel 1911 woes) the 32 and 380 weren't made for 1000 round target sessions. But to be shot now and then and kepy handy as a SD pistol. If pistol was in good shape I would likely have bought if looking for a small pistol.
     
  4. Mad Magyar

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    The 7.65mm (.32 cal) LLama Model X-A bears a strong resemblance to the 1911. It was an extremely popular model in Europe in that caliber.
    For me, if the price is right, and you give it a good looking over: why not?
     
  5. Monkeyleg

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    A friend of mine, who now lives in Arkansas, is hands-down the best pistol shooter I've ever seen.

    He bought a Llama .45 a few months back, and had his local gunsmith just do a couple of tweaks.

    His targets are great, and he loves the gun.
     
  6. Walt Sherrill

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    I've got an older Llama in 9mm -- imported in the 80's by Stoeger.

    It has a fully ramped barrel and is every bit as much a quality gun as any available, today. When some parts got worn, I had my gunsmith install an Ed Brown hammer and a Chip McCormick sear (or was it the other way around?) -- they dropped right in, and it now got a great trigger, and shoots well.

    Not all Llama are like that.

    (I'd probably look for something else, if it was a NEW one -- for those "gunsmith tweaks" aren't generally that cheap.
     
  7. M2 Carbine

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    I bought a 45 MiniMax. I thought I'd use it as a car gun or just a spare 45 around the place.
    It was too unreliable to use as any kind of defense gun and had too many issues to use as a range gun, like the ejected cases hitting me in the forehead, so I sold it to an individual at a gun show for $100 and was glad to get rid of it.
     
  8. Mad Chemist

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    I had the same problem w/ a Mini-max in .40 after putting the first box of ammo through it. I checked the extractor. Lo and behold, fifty rounds through a brand new gun and the extractor was already severely chipped. You don't want to get me started on all the other problems this POS has has.

    Bersas are good inexpensive shooters. I had a Thunder .380, it functioned flawlessly. They have the same dimensions as a PPK and are chambered in .22lr, .32, and .380. Personally .380 is as small as I will go for a defensive cartridge.
     
  9. Probasco

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    i bought one in 32 and it functioned flawlessly. gave it to my daughter. i bought a 45 minimax, polished the feed ramp before i ever shot it and out of 100+ rounds it has ftf only once. maybe i got the only good one. on the other end, i bought a 45 1911 government model and it jambed so bad i had to feild strip it. i took it to the place i bought it and they made some fixes but i have lost all faith in it.
     
  10. mainmech48

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    My only Llama was a .22 made on the same frame size. Not a good experience. Two "doubles" in the first magazine through it. Dropped the slide on the second magazine load (finger off the trigger, muzzle pointed at the ground just ahead of me) and the hammer "followed" the slide down, blowing a 1" hole in the turf about 4" from my boot's toe.

    Sent it back to the importer for warranty fix. Six MONTHS later, I got it back. Still had the same problem, and the lockwork parts looked as if some chimp had used a wood rasp to "fit" them.

    I sold it to an acquaintance who fancied himself an amatuer gunsmith at a sizable loss. He reckoned that he could buy new parts and fix it. I wished him luck.

    OTOH, I know folks who say they've had good service from theirs. All I can say is that the workmanship and QC at Llama inspires me not. I've never bought another.

    IMO, if it's real cheap and tickles your fancy, try it. If it turns out to be reliable - great. I wouldn't bet my Personal Favorite Behind on one.
     
  11. Jeff Timm

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    "Como sey Llama? Si! El junko!" Phat Phil Engledrum c. 1975.

    Geoff
    Who notes when it's real quiet in the arms room you can hear the Llama's rust. :what:
     
  12. AirForceShooter

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    llama's are very hit or miss.
    I had a .380 1911 clone for 40 years and it never and I mean never failed me.
    Others will tell you they're junk.
    I think we're both right.

    AFS
     
  13. Rubikees

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    My dad has had the .380 Llama for many years and it has been an ok weapon. He really does not shoot it much. The wife and I do not like the Llama because of its very hard and sharp recoil.
     
  14. Moonclip

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    Depends, I once passed the 32acp version at $150 like a year ago but my 380acp micromax works great. If the price is right give it a go if you don't mind 32acp and you give the gun a good once over. My Llama 45acp was junk but my 9mm is great and accurate with ball ammo and I'm fond of my 44mag Llama revolver. Poor QC with Llamas but they do good work here and there.
     
  15. KTALGSTO

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    Michael T>>
    yeah like micael t says..
    i have a llama 40 S&W minimax and ive had no isssues besides the feed ramp. i used a wire brush and rubbed the ramp down and oiled it and its workin fine and changed out to colt magazine srings off a colt mag thats broke..Even better.. since colt was the gun they copied when they made the minimax 40(maybe all the other llamas to?) they hold the same mags..and wouldnt doubt it if u can exchange Some parts..for a 300$ gun?.. its great.. solid steel(keep oiled!), rubber grips, accurate at 15-20 ft without doubt..the guns as long as my hand it fits comfortably all finger on the grip and i have big hands.i dont leave the house without it.:D:D:D:D:cool::cool:

    MAD CHEMIST>>
    sucks but i havent had a problem yet with mine my dad is out of military and he even tells me it isnt a "BAD"gun. i mean for the price u get what u pay for. maybe there are just some bad guns they made who knows? because one wil work for a week or with 50 rounds and the next will be working great with thousands of rounds through them..
     
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    You mean "Yeah, like Michael said four years ago "

    Like it or not Llamas do not have a wonderful reputation, and it didn't just appear out of thin air . If your's is running good I'm happy for you but they're not a wonderful gun
     
  17. JR47

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    The little Llama is like the one that I've owned for a couple of decades. Mine doesn't like JHP ammunition, except the older Remington JHP. It functions fine with Ball.

    Llama was in business for almost 60 years. They made the Spanish service weapon at one time, and also marketed several NATO spec handguns. Many of the "problems" have been because of guns much older than was claimed, or the use of parts designed for older guns, in newer ones.

    There has also been claims, admittedly unverified, about "soft metal", and there was some truth to it, during the 1917-1919 era. Errornet Legends die hard.
     
  18. 61chalk

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    My first handgun, an only handgun was a used 1911 .45 Llama, it was used an paid 200.00 for it at Don Lengels Gun Shop....man I miss that place.....that was back around '93, I don't know when it was made, it does have the vent rib. Other than shooting a little high an to the right just a little at 25yds it funtions perfect everytime, my brother has been shooting .45's since 1968, mostly Colts..when he shot this one, he had a tight group, he said it was the best he had ever shot a .45, an told me not to sell it!!! It's tough, heavy, accurate, reliable an feels right when I shoot it....no complaints.
     
  19. KTALGSTO

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    yeah LOL 4 years ago...wow! :confused:
     
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    A friend just gave me a Llama .32ACP. He said it was junk and jammed every third round.
    It had been sitting in a drawer for thirty years and was filthy and dry. I cleaned it and lubed it, took it to the range and sure enough, he was right. Although cleaned and lubed I got a huge string of 4 before it stovepiped.

    So I went over to Allsafe Security (it's actually a gunshop) in Douglas, AZ and one of the owners (both of whom are gunsmiths) told me the lips on the mag were spread too much and the round was therefore riding too high, ergo, banging into the feed ramp. He pointed me to a giant box of mags and said see what you might find. There must have been two hundred mags in there, some for guns I'd never heard of. But perseverance furthers, and I found an actual new Llama mag in .32ACP.

    Back to the range. Huge difference. 20 rounds no problem before a jam. And, at 15 yards it's surprisingly accurate (3" groups). But still, nothing I'd carry for SD.

    Soo, I took it an old gunsmith who has a shop next to his home. He lives in the desert in the middle of nowhere. Do you know anything about these things? I asked. He looked at me like I was chopped liver. Yeah, he said, a little bit. Worked on maybe a hundred or so. I handed him the original mag with the spread lips. Common problem, he said, the metal in these mags is a bit soft. I'll fix it for you, he said, smiling rather mysteriously. Then he took a look inside the pistol. Oh, here's your problem. The feed ramp's been banged up. Turns out it's a two-piece ramp, one half in the gun and the other half is part of the barrel. They both need to be in harmony. They weren't. So a round would move up the lower part of the ramp, hit the misaligned top part (on occasion) and stop right there.

    After he returns it, I'll do an update. It's a sweet-looking pistol, kind of like a shrunken 1911 and, because of its narrowness, would make a great IWB weapon.
     
  21. Walkalong

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    I had one, and foolishly traded it for a Llama .380. Wish I still had it. They are not a Colt etc, but good serviceable guns. The newer plastic grips are prone to cracking. The older wood grips are preferable.
     
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    My father-in-law carries a 1960's vintage .380 llama. He is the original owner and has never had a problem with his pistol. He puts 4 or 5 boxes of FMJ ammo through it every year, so his llama has seen several thousnad rounds over the years. He carries it with FMJ ammo in his mag and a buffalobore +P 100gr hardcast FP as his +1.
     
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    I have the 22, 32 and 380 versions, all perform perfectly. I have had less then stellar performance from the 45 version. I found the Llama Omni line in the larger calibers to be much better quality than their 1911 counter parts.
     
  24. exdetsgt

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    Mine has the original wood grips. Think I'll remove them and treat them to some Tung Oil.
     
  25. Mad Magyar

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    Those Llama grips have to be the ugliest one's ever made, the brown one's.:eek:
     
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