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Land of the Free? Not anymore...

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Sindawe, Jan 10, 2006.

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  1. Sindawe

    Sindawe Member

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    His supposed "crime"? Tax evasion. :fire:

    Enough to drive a man to drink.

    Or follow the lead so called tax evaders of years past...
     
  2. PCGS65

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    I've never had much sympathy for "CEO's" that get "caught".
    However I think this shows(even though biased)the government can, will and do what they want when they want to whom they want!!! Legal or not!!! :cuss:

    The Libertarian Enterprise??
     
  3. whm1974

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    Murders and child rapists don't get treated this bad.

    The tax code is so bad that the IRS can come after anyone for evasion.

    I remember reading a few years that people who work for DotComs that went belly up now owe millions of dollars due to some rule about stock options, notwithstanding that they are now pennyless.

    -Bill
     
  4. JohnBT

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    "The judge also cited "the implausibility of an innocent explanation" for Anderson having a phony passport, falsified identification..."

    - from a Washington Post article
     
  5. captain obvious

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    Murders and child rapists don't harm Uncle Sam.

    .gov looks after its own.
     
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    The link above doesn't seem to work.
     
  8. Preacherman

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    Two points:

    1. Both of the articles cited here, about Anderson and Hansen, come from highly partisan sources, and are not backed up by citations from authoritative sources. In fact, the article about Anderson was written by someone who runs a Web site in his support.

    2. Both of the articles cited are full of polemics, emotional appeals, etc. As a chaplain with the Federal Bureau of Prisons, I know for a fact that the details given about transporting prisoners in the Hansen article are not true - I've been trained in these procedures (as are all BOP employees) and witnessed transportation many times.

    I'd take both articles with several very large helpings of salt unless and until they can be corroborated by authoritative sources, and/or reviewed by courts. It's never wise to believe blatant propaganda without some rigorous fact-checking. Gun-owners complain whenever anti-gunners do this: why should we fall into the same trap?
     
  9. Justin

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    "Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors - and miss."

    -R.A. Heinlein
     
  10. Manedwolf

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    Yes. I do feel sorry for a lot of those, since a lot are the same age as me. I'd been jealous at the time, since I only got in on the tail end of the dotcom before the implosion, and my options never vested before the company went down, but...I'm glad they didn't, now.

    The gist was, get options, options vest, they're worth millions on paper because the (overvalued) stock is at $100+ per share and you have 10,000, 50,000 shares or more. Then stock falls to less than $1 per share. Company implodes, stock becomes worthless. You can't see any of that money.

    But...you still owe capital gains and such to the IRS. I know of people who just got started in their careers in 98-99 or such, out of college...and now they owe the IRS over a million, two million dollars, and all they can find for work is in the $40k-$50k range, IF that. A lot are just freelancing in a scrabble-to-find-work market regardless of degrees, because there's just so much out-of-work tech talent out there due to outsourcing overseas. They're screwed for life.
     
  11. armoredman

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    Ok, you wanted a true prison emplyee to counter this stuff? Absolutely. BS in AZ.
    I read both articles, but will keep direct refutation to the portion posted here of the first. I will counter the "Deisel Therapy" by stating in my four years of prison work, I have never heard of any inmate being treated in this fashion EVER, and I drove a prison BUS for some time. Inmates on AZ transports are NOT kept moving for 20 hours at a time, for weeks - 20 hours would get you across the state! We move inmates for various reasons, NONE of which include TORTURE. I don't give a rats patoot what anyone says - unless you have been here, doing this job, YOU DON'T KNOW. Period. I thought I knew about prison from newspapers, articles, etc, before I went to work in one. Nope, wrong.
    Here we go...
    BS in AZ. We issue TP, two rolls a week. Inmates on suicide watch in a holding cell may get it issued when needed, to prevent suicide - don't joke, I know one who did just that recently, by stuffing TP down his throat. We issue a bedding roll per inmate, which contains one sheet, two blankets, and a pillow case. Mattress and pillow are in the cell. If not, we are REQUIRED to provide them before shift end. We also keep indigent bags of soap, toothpaste, toothbrush, and shaving gear, (once again, if he is NOT a suicide risk) which we will give, until he is able to shop the store, or apply for indigent status, wherupon we give him toiletries up to a certain amount each month.
    Holding cells are for suicide watches, temporary transfers, etc, and if not in use as a suicide cell, are limited to 4 hour use. they include running water, toilet, and a bunk. Suicide watch inmates are usually stripped out, and given two suicide blankets, which are tear resistant.
    OK, first, the prisons I have worked in are always cold in winter/hot in summer due to what's known as concrete and steel...but we have both heaters and AC, which are piped directly into the cells. During the hot months, lockdown employees are far more uncomfortable than inmates!
    Heaver garments? Nope, prison clothes come one style, for simplicity and cost. In winter time in AZ, all inmates are issued at least one extra blanket, regardless of where they are, and winter in AZ is pretty mild.
    This writer's incredible bias against corrections officers is getting even heavier.
    AC failed? Yep - IT HAPPENS IN YOUR HOME, TOO! We fix it as soon as possble - we work under the same blower, after all!
    Inmates who need medical treament submit a health Needs request, avaialble in any control room, from any staff. Nursing staff triage these requests, and schedule doctor vistss, nurse visits, dental, whatever, depending on availability of specialists. Emergency needs are met as well, up to and regularly inlcuding both ambulance or air evec to local prepared hospitals. A diet note writtne by an outside specialist needs to be confrimed by the insitution doctor to be valid, and then a diet card is issued to the inmate, and detailed orders go to the kitchen. What they refer to as a handwritten spreadsheet of requirements, I have no idea. It would not be accepted by us either, without being seen by the doctor, and filled on a vaild diet sheet - or would you like us to be serving diet cards written by inmates ordering steak and caviar every night? Yes, that would happen, if you let them run it. Remember, your tax dollars at work - do you want to buy Dominos Pizza for 900 guys every night? What a champ!
    Writing materials are provided through indigent supplies, or ordered through the inmate store. Most officer writing materials are not provided to inmates, due to ink pens being turned into blow guns, stabbing weapons, or suicide implements. I have seen inmates request a pen, have it handed over, then self shoved it up thier rear, removed, and offered back with a big grin. Sometimes we had extra paper and golf pencils, (lockdown inmates are allowed golf pencils and pen fillers only, for the above reasons.), and will give them away.
    Nope, no photos taped to the walls. Bullitin boards are provided in some units, lockdown does not. Photos and other personal papaers/letters are stored in legal boxes under the bed. We'll provide two boxes, and they can purchase more. Stamps are currency in prison, as real money is forbidden. If someone was sending stamps in the mail, they would be confiscated, a seized property reciept issued, and the stamps placed in his permanant property in the warehouse. Then, the inmate could request stamps up to the allowable amount out of that property to use for mail.
    I will agree the prison mail system is very slow, and sometimes wildly inaccurate, that's no joke. We are supposed to forward mail within 72 hours...good luck. A moved inmate can wait up to a week. We hand deliver mail every night but Sunday.
    Look up the "Blum Decision" for a complete explanation of how inmate property works. They may have so many books in their possession, and so many instorage. If that number is exceeded, they need to send out, donate, or destroy whatever is extra. That is a court decision. Over the number is contraband, and may be returned to the sender. If you want a library in your room, don't come to prison.
    As for phone calls we have a rotational system in place for phone calls, and one shift will take the list around to sign up inmates the day before, then hand out the cordless phone, (in lockdown), or allow out to the "payphones" on open yards, at the time they selected, withing reason, ie no distrubances, etc.
    Frequent and random searches are the best way to prevent prison contraband. If you think that means harmless letters, you're wrong. I have personally seen two handmade spears confiscated out of a maximum security lockdown in the last two days.

    Hope this clears things up, except for those who automatically say any prison official is lying. Arrange to tour a local prison, and see for yourself.
     
  12. WillBrayJr

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    He's more lucky than I was. I had to wear a paper gown, no personal belongings, no pillow, no blanket, no mattress, and no @$$wipe. The tempature was around 40 degrees plus central air was running in my cell which probably dropped the tempature to 30 degrees. The slab of steel was ice cold and I still have scars from handcuffs and shackels.
     
  13. armoredman

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    Where were you incarcerated, for what, and were you on a suicide watch status, or in isolation/holding cell? How did you get scars from standard handcuffs and leg irons? I have seen many inmates violently resist restraints, and never get a single scratch from the restraints, not to mention scars. Not to mention, we ALWAYS escort inmates forcibly restrained to the Health Unit for evaluation by medical staff. No force neccesary cuffing does not require a medical visit.
    If you were in a paper gown, with no other covering, in a cell below freezing, why are you alive? I have never seen any paper clothing issued to any inmate for any reason in this state, unless it's in Baker Ward, the mental health maximum security area, and they're more likely to be in boxers with suicide blankets.
    I am not calling you a liar, just explain how it happened.
     
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