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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by tater_salad, Dec 19, 2005.

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  1. tater_salad

    tater_salad Member

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    Editorial: Weapons bill still a bad idea
    From the Journal Sentinel
    Posted: Dec. 18, 2005

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/editorials/dec05/378356.asp


    Well, I guess all I can do is :barf:
     
  2. Janitor

    Janitor Senior Member

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    I keep on hearing this, but nobody ever has anything else to say about it other than "it's a bad thing". What's more amazing to me is how many people believe statments like this w/o question.
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  3. lance22

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    Don't Let It Bother You

    Before we got our "shall issue" passed here (both times ... long story) in Minnesota ... the local papers were repeating every "brady" line in the book over and over every single day. And look now ... we have "shall issue".

    The hard-core leftists in Wisconsin are scared. Take what they write as an omen of their passing ... and after Doyle's veto join your 2A brothers in writing, emailing, and calling everyone thanking them and urging them to vote in favor of "shall issue". You don't have to preach at this point ... just tell them how you want them to vote and they'll count how many contacts have urged them in that direction.
     
  4. halvey

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    Do they honestly think, permit or not a permit would have stopped someone from carrying this out. Besides, if you use a gun is SD, you still will be "arrested" for murder and attempted murder.
     
  5. FireBreather01

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    "Backers of concealed carry exaggerate its potential for good and dismiss its potential for harm. They don't talk about an incident earlier this year in Tyler, Texas, where, sure enough, a concealed-carry license holder did try to stop a husband who shot his wife outside the courthouse. The good Samaritan was himself shot to death."

    Nevermind the fact that police credited Mark Wilson with saving the wife's (and the deranged killer's) son by his intervention. Nevermind the fact that he was credited by police with likely ending the rampage earlier than it might otherwise have lasted. Nevermind the fact that police said many more were probably saved by Wilson's selfless act. And nevermind that the killer fled once faced with opposition. Oh and let's forget about the courage it took for Wilson to enter the fray - using only a 9mm and going up against a crazed killer wearing body armor and armed with an AK.

    http://johnrlott.tripod.com/2005/02/concealed-handgum-permit-holders.html

    That's the Milwaukee Journal's editorial writers for you - don't let the facts stand in the way of your argument!
     
  6. Carl N. Brown

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    Since 1986, Twenty-Seven states have passed shall-issue carry permit laws.
    Eight already had "shall-issue" without the dire problems predicted.

    Everytime, the antis trot out the "blood in the gutters" and "wild west
    shootouts" propaganda.

    Twenty-seven times the antis' predictions have not come true.

    Why should Wisconsin be any different?
     
  7. goalie

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    Um, note that they said ARRESTS, not convictions. There is a significant difference. Many places will arrest someone that shoots someone else until it gets sorted out. Minneapolis comes to mind. That does not mean that the arrested people were charged, let alone convicted.
     
  8. GunnySkox

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    Additionally: Woah-ho-ho! Look out! Forty one whole arrests in five years?! You mean as many as eight people who carry guns might have been accused of crimes per year?!

    Oh.
    My.
    God.

    I might just start burning my guns. I can't handle the intense evil.

    ~GnSx
     
  9. cosine

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    +1. Wisconsin shouldn't be any different, and won't be any different.
     
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  10. cosine

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    Oh no!! Look what was written!! I'm not sure the anti's can handle the intense hyperbole!! :p ................:D:D
     
  11. erik the bold

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    Newspapers in Michigan pretty much shut up when...

    the state police started issuing their CCW annual reports. Latest is here

    Interesting data, because it shows what, where, why of denials and revocations, by county. AND, :what: , Detroit is by far the worst....

    Just for information, in the fisical year ended June 30, 2005, Michigan:
    Accepted 58,366 applications
    Issued 54,677 licenses
    Denied 331 applications (0.6% of applications) with 12 applications being withdrawn
    Revoked 121 licenses (0.07% of licenses issued since 2001, which was 166,297), most were for alcohol related offenses (DUI, etc...)

    I would think the responsible citizens of Wisconsin would behave similarly.

    :neener:
     
  12. MatthewVanitas

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    What Wisconsin gun-rights group do I send a fiver to as an "attaboy"?

    -MV
     
  13. Strings

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    that would be the WCCA. I suppose you COULD send money to WGO, but why would you want to give Corey more money? WCCA is ALL volunteer, so your donation goes to the fight (not to line someone's pockets)...

    Oh... sent a response to the OpEd. We'll see if they print it...
     
  14. Standing Wolf

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    That's a lie. If Goebbels, Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany, had told it, I'm sure he'd be very proud of himself, because a.) it's a big lie, and b.) it's a big lie repeated often enough that many unsuspecting people have mistaken it for fact.
     
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    I've seen that figure of 41 CCW holders arrested for murder before. I can't remember which pro-gun site it was, but someone had compared the percentages of CCW carriers charged with murder and the general public charged with murder and it turned out that CCW holders were four times less likely to be arrested for murder than the public at large. If I can find the alfigures I'm going to write a letter to the editor of the Sentinel-Journal.
     
  16. Carl N. Brown

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    I would expect, in a self-defense homicide, to be charged with
    voluntary manslaughter until the case was investigated and
    adjudicated.
     
  17. chas_martel

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    Not only did Mark Wilson surely save others lives but he did something
    leftist, and the govt, are scared to death of - he was master of his own destiny.

    I pray God takes care of his soul, he gave his life for others, the
    most selfish act in which a human can engage.
     
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    I would not expect to be arrested in a self-defense shooting. I can see being taken into custody temporarily while the story is straightened out. But not arrested.

    Thankfully, here in Indiana, law enforcement agrees (for the most part) with me. There was even a case of a landscape/nursery owner peppering some teenagers with buckshot after they had vandalized his property/vehicle multiple times who was not charged. And I could have been on board with charging (at least with some recklessness or public endangerment type of crime) him since his life wasn't in danger. The cool thing is that the teenagers, in addition to suffering some painful peppering wounds ARE being charged for trespass and vandalization. :D
     
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