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Law and Order SVU (I gotta vent)

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Malfader13, Jan 4, 2006.

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  1. Malfader13

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    I was watching SVU last night and what a nasty episode that was. Long story short it was about a study that had been done stating that children that witnessed gun violence were at least twice as likely to commit gun violence themselves. There is an actual study on this that was released in 2005, and though I am not familiar with the details of it, I am willing to bet it can be deconstructed by someone smarter then I. That there is a study isn't what erks me though. What dose is many people will take what was on SVU as absolute fact without finding out any information. They even had a lawyer for the NGA (national gun association), wonder who they are targeting there, who was a total ass. Oh and he was a total ass to a very nice young black boy. Once again the white male who is pro-gun is stereotyped, and badgering, at the least, a minority. And some, possibly many, will believe it though it is just a TV show. My wife and I were livid after this show. Now that I have calmed down, hugged and petted my guns :D , I thought I would vent a bit.
     
  2. Thefabulousfink

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    Law and Order (aka TNT's entire programming schedual) is a much overrated pile of steaming television garbage. The few times that I have been tempted to sit down and watch it I have either had Hollywood agenda crammed down my throat, or seen gross violations of power on the part of the characters.

    If you want a good drama, watch 24 on FOX or the new Battlestar Galactica on SciFi.
     
  3. Sindawe

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    Besides, Battlestar Galactica has cuter actresses. :evil:

    About the only thing L&A is good for is background noise.
     
  4. kwelz

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    Law and Order: SVU is one of my favorite shows on television. However I agree, last nights episode wash pushing it.
     
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    Yea, just watch those shows, any defence lawyer with half a brain would have a field day with these morons and the stuff they pull.
     
  6. rick_reno

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    Watching "entertainment" that upsets you doesn't appear to be healthy behavior. It's been awhile since I've had a TV set that worked, are the newer ones manufactured without a way to turn them off? or have I missed the news that some Federal Agency has mandated that if you have a tv that works it's illegal to turn it off?
     
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    Of course, if you could turn your TV off then you might miss some important information from the Government on what you should be afraid of today.:evil:
     
  8. CentralTexas

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    I think you missed his point. It's hard to watch many TV dramas/shows that don't portray firearms in a bad light. Should they have to do without the medium of TV to avoid that? Once one learns what series are consistent in this it doesn't make sense to continue to tune in though.
    Ever since the 2nd? season of 24 where they played russian roulette in prison and Keifer did the PSA about guns after the show I haven't watched an episode.
    CT
     
  9. boofus

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    Screw all the TV shows set in New York, Boston, or Los Angeles. (Just about 80% of everything on the idiot box). My TV only sees action when I turn on the playstation or pop in a DVD.
     
  10. exoduster18

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    I feel all in all its a thoroughly entertaining TV show. I do agree with the rest of you in the fact that TV seriosly distorts everything good about our culture and uses stereotypes of us all of the time.
     
  11. cuchulainn

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    The anti-gun story lines are deliberate. It's the work of the Entertainment Indutry Council (http://www.eiconline.org)

    See espeically its suggestions on depicting guns -- http://www.eiconline.org/issues/gv/depiction.php

    Battlestar Galactica is one of the best shows on the tube. But it's got it's PC elements too. For example, that's why Starbuck is a woman. But at least it doesnt' shove the PC stuff down our throats.
     
  12. c_yeager

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    Or maybe its just good programing. Controversy is free advertising. Seriously, look at whats happening here. This is a board dedicated to firearms, and we are discussing an episode of SVU, sounds like some producer did a good job of getting people to talk about the show.
     
  13. pax

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    The reason "they" keep airing dreck like this is because people watch it. They get paid based on how many people watch their shows.

    Want to keep dreck like this off the air? Stop watching it.

    pax
     
  14. GEM

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    Starbuck and Boomer being women add depth to the plot and they are easy to look at.

    The old BSG really didn't have much sophistication to it, unless you grooved on watching Pa Cartwright in Liberace's cape.
     
  15. Coronach

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    BSG does have some PC going on in it, but it's not terrible. Starbuck as a woman actually works because the actress is skilled and the character is well written. They have thus far avoided making too many silly sops to liberal/PC points of view, and in one episode deliberately played on that tendency in other shows to throw the viewer for a loop at the end.

    Spoiler: (highlight to read)

    Lucy Lawless plays a reporter doing an expose-documentary of life on the warship, and constantly plays the "you can't stifle my freedom of expression and right to question authority", a la anti-military reporters doing hatchet jobs of US military in Iraq under the aegis of freedom. It read as your standard liberal-journalist diatribe right up until the end, when she actually turns out to be an enemy agent using the access granted her to undermine the security of the fleet. It was, actually, pretty brilliant.

    Plus it has some OK gunplay (along with some bad gunplay) and some pretty fun weapons as eye candy. FN P90s, FN 57s, Beretta Storms with Aimpoints, Vektors. Good stuff.

    L&E is ok. They tend to be correct in their law (though not perfect), unlike most shows. However, they're way off on interview techniques, the detectives always make the same mistakes (you'd think they'd have search and seizure training for those guys, as often as they goof it up), and the "ripped from the headlines" bit gets tedious. It's also very PC. And very convoluted...just once I'd like to see an episode that does NOT involve the daughter of the ambassador from Ashcanistan getting it on with a world-famous concert pianist and getting shot over her addiction to x-rated Japanese anime. Just Tater shot Pee Wee over a $10 drug debt. The end. ;)

    Mike
     
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    I like watching Ted Nugent's hunting show. I believe it's called "Call of the wild."
     
  17. HankB

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    I saw part of the episode mentioned in the first post. :barf:

    The one thing I've learned from Law & Order in its various guises is that if you're ever questioned by the police as a suspect in a crime, the first thing - and I do mean the very, VERY first thing - you need to do is shut up.

    Then lawyer up.
     
  18. Old Dog

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    A dissenting opinion on these statements:
    Abstaining from viewing these shows is the proverbial double-edged sword ... if you don't watch the shows, and digest the criminally bad writing (such as on last night's L&O SVU episode), you (1) remain unaware of what propaganda, thinly disguised under the veil of entertainment, the majority of the country (which does watch television) is absorbing and (2) you then remain unable to substantiate your counter-arguments against said propaganda, having not yourself viewed it ... I say this, because in watching this particular episode, I became aware that I was actually glad I stuck with it (in spite of the poor acting, poor writing and over-the-top portrayal of the "NGA" attorney) -- because I was able to formulate in my mind specific, point-by-point arguments against the premise that was the show's main thesis (gun violence is a disease) -- and you'd better believe you'll hear more of this now that the study was made mainstream in prime-time.

    Disclaimer here: I don't normally watch these shows, but was flipping through channels immediately after the triple-overtime Orange Bowl game and Mariska Hargitay caught my eye ...

    Here's a link to an article about the original study in New Scientist and a link to the original article in Science magazine (Science magazine is a subscription site, however).
    http://www.newscientist.com/channel/being-human/teenagers/dn7436
    http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/short/308/5726/1323

    It should be noted that in a subsequent issue of Science (9 Sep 05), Gary Kleck's outstanding rebuttal to the study was printed.
     
  19. cuchulainn

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    Yes they do (and are).

    But I suspect that they were changed to women in the first place for PC reasons. But I'm not really too concerned about it, and I'm certainly not offended. It's a great show. I'm just pointing out that it's not immune from PC-ism.
     
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    Personally, when i watch TV I do so knowing its gonna be BS. Hence why I only really watch Discovery, Discovery Times, TLC, and CourtTV. I like watching documentary type shows like The FBI Files, Investigators, and stuff that I know to be true. Story line fiction shows like SVU will always have something crazy in them.

    Especially being a police officer, I can't stand watching how wrong 99% of TV fiction is about law enforcement.
     
  21. Malfader13

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    I was going to post a reply about not watching these shows similar to what Old Dog had to say, though I couldn't have said it nearly as eloquently. So thank you Old Dog.

    As I have several family members and friends that watch this show, and I admit I find it entertaining, I like to see what is going on in that wasteland at times. A few of them I know full well will swallow up this propaganda whole, and I like to be prepared for debates. I don't set aside time to watch any TV, other then BSG and to this point House (I love that guys acid sense of humor). But I will watch something that can have an effect on issues I care about, and being more conservative then liberal most of the shows out there I am going to take issue with at one point or another. I also realize these are just "entertainment" and I do like to be entertained (computer mostly), but I don't take it for granted that many people can't seem to separate entertainment from fact (just look at the regular news media).

    So turn it off if you like, most likely the best argument against these shows is going to be "Well that is just a TV show and presents little to no facts," but then again when have you known a frightened, emotional anti-gunner to listen to as simple a rebuttal as that.
     
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    I watch PBS. They have some good programs compared to regular TV.
     
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    People still watch television!?!
     
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    That, my friend, is more truth than poetry! This episode was total horse$#!t! National Gun Association indeed! I watched the program myself and found the only redeeming value of the NGA attorney was that he properly represented the fact that viewing a violent act was not key to "infecting" a human with mens rea, or "guilty mind". It comes from another source.

    The "poor little black child" was forced to incriminate himself during a sanctioned "harrasing" civil court session by the "NGA" attorney, therefore the case had to be dismissed. How convenient! What leftist "BS"!

    Scott
     
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    We should form an National Gun Association and then sue them for slander:evil:
     
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