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Laws against this???

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by 5ptdeerhunter, Feb 18, 2003.

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  1. 5ptdeerhunter

    5ptdeerhunter Member

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    Are there any laws that would prevent someone under the age of 18 from going into a gun store and handling guns.
     
  2. bogie

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    In the PRI (Illinois), you can't touch one unless you have a FOID card.
     
  3. Jeff White

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    That's only for Illinois residents. People who live in free states can still enter an Illinois gunshop and handle a weapon.

    Jeff
     
  4. blades67

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    Not in Arizona.
     
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    Not anywhere in the Rockies!
     
  6. BigJake_old

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    Not in ohio under daft.
     
  7. 5ptdeerhunter

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    Ok but what about Michigan?
     
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    Unless you are a parent or guardian you can not give a miner (under 18) a hand gun. The gun store/shooting range I work at we have to give the gun to the adult. Can't give them a box of ammo to give to there parent. The adult has to come and get it.
    This is in Ohio.

    This is federal law. :(
     
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    This is not a federal law. Federal law prohibits the sell or transfer of a firearm to anyone under the age of 18. Holding a gun inside a gunstore, under the supervision of the licensed dealer (or his designate) is perfectly legal.

    It may be covered it state laws.
     
  10. MitchSchaft

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    There's no law against it here in TN! It's definately not Federal law.
     
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    It is against the law, as mentioned above in several states. In New York regardless of age you can't handle a handgun unless you have a permit.

    Many dealers use this excuse or check customers age, they don't want to "waste their time" with people who can't purchase a gun until they are 21 (federal law). Or they don't want to appear to their other customers that they are selling to someone underage, or they want to limit people doing stupid things with them, like letting the slide slam forward on an empty chamber.
     
  13. Don Gwinn

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    I found an exception in IL law the other day that I've never known was there. It turns out there's an exception for children engaging in "recreational activities." Target shooting is mentioned specifically. So if you take your kid shooting at tin cans, you should be exempted.

    This is not widely known. I vividly remember being warned by the owner of Bullet Express in Springfield when I took my sister and her friend shooting. Her friend was under 21 (widely believed to be the legal age in Illinois, but apparently it's 18) and the proprietor was concerned that an off-duty policeman was shooting at the same time. He advised us to make sure we waited until the cop left before the friend handled any pistols.
    Turns out that was probably unnecessary:

     
  14. LevelHead

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    In NJ many stores won't let you touch gun without your Firearms ID. Many will however. The one's that demand say it's the law...
     
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    It is against the law, as mentioned above in several states. In New York regardless of age you can't handle a handgun unless you have a permit. - ajacobs

    Does that mean you can't even take your son (if he does not have a permit) to the range to target shoot?
     
  16. WalHam

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    In Massachusetts, you can't handle a gun without showing your permit. You can look but not touch.
     
  17. 5ptdeerhunter

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    So gathering this information. My friends and I had better not try to go to the gun shop without adult supervision.
     
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    seems to have such a prohibition.

    Tell me why I'm not surprized.
     
  19. enichols

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    Yeah, afraid so. If you're under 18 in the PRK, unless you are accompanied by a parent/guardian, the people at the gun store won't let you handle the guns.
     
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    In Alabama a minor can handle long guns, but not handguns. Atleast thats what me and my 20yr old nephew were told. He could handle any long gun but no pistols.:(
     
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    I believe it's a felony back home in Texas to enter a gun store without fondl... er... handling a gun :) . I had a guy in a gun store hand me a Savage Model 90 (I think) when I was about 8 just to "see how it fit."
     
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    That is correct although not enforced.
     
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    Here'n Orygun I dont think there is any laws against it. However, most shops wont let you. If you look like a yungin they ask for ID before they let you touch anything.

    ~brain
     
  24. AK103K

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    I find that even those in law enforcement, who are supposed to know the laws of their jurisdiction, dont really always know. There seems to more mis-information bandied about than fact, even with them. I think when they, or anyone for that matter, dont know, its automaticly assumed to be in the negitive. If you really want to know, go to the top and call or email your state attorney generals office. This cuts out a lot of crap. If they cant give you the answer, nobody can short of the state supreme court. Not to long ago, something along these lines came up here. I was trying to find out about my son having his .45 in his possession while shooting with his friends since he was under 21(he was 18). My local dealer went over the laws in his books with me and "the law" said it was ok(as was later confirmed by the AG's office), in PA its 21 to purchase, 18 "to possess". A little while later I was in a different gun shop and the subject came up and when I chimed in with what I had learned, I was told I was dead wrong, you had to be 21, period.(ofcourse they didnt have the book there, or wouldnt admit it) There was even a district game protector there who also said I was wrong. Now, I 'm willing to admit I'm wrong, but when I've got the answer straight from the AG's mouth, I figgure I'm pretty close to right. They wouldnt hear of it. You would figure the game warden would know better, since in PA you can get what they call a "provisional pistol permit" what allows you to carry a handgun while hunting. This you can get at 18! But I was wrong. :rolleyes:
    You know, this all goes with a lot of other "rules" we are told we have to abide by and if you read the law, its isnt necessarily right. Read the "laws" on the books about carrying in the Post Office, or in a school, and you will see the term, "or any lawful purpose". Well that means to me I CAN carry my pistol as I'm not doing anything "unlawful" and I can "lawfully" carry my pistol anywhere else. It doesnt say flat out you cant. We all go off about this law or that being wrong, but do you actually challenge the people telling you you cant, or have you even read the law(they are even more accessible now ithe the web) that they are telling you is law or the rules? If they are saying you are wrong, they need to know what the law is and what the section, page and paragraph is to prove it. Its not their word against yours, they have to prove you did something wrong. Right? Question authority every chance you get. Dont take their word for anything, tell them to show you it in writing, or your right until they can prove to you your not. Besides, its fun to watch the veins come out of their necks when you "DARE" question them and just dont go away with head bowed and your hat in your hand when they tell you no.
     
  25. m1911joe

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    I hate to burst your bubble but it is federal law for a miner to be given a hand gun by any one other then a parent or guardian. Have you heard of the Youth Handgun Safety Act? You should have. Any time you buy a gun from an FFL dealer you are to be given one. But that does not happen all that often.

    FEDERAL LAW

    The Gun Control Act of 1968, U.S.C. Chapter 44, provides in pertinent part as follows:

    18 U.S.C.922(x)

    (x) (1) It shall be unlawful for a person to sell,
    deliver, or stherwise transfer to a person who the
    transferor knows or has reasonable cause to
    believe is a juvenile--

    (A) a handgun; or
    (B) ammunition that is suitable for use only
    in a handgun.
    (2) It shall be unlawful for any person
    who is a juvenile to knowingly possess--
    (A) a handgun; or
    (B) ammunition that is sutable for use only
    in a handgun.



    Know there is a lot more to this law. Yes there are times that it is lawful for them to have a gun. If you would like to know when please go to your local gun store and get a copy of this flier:


    Youth Handgun Safety Act Notice

    ATF I 5300.2 (7-98)
     
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