Laws against this???

[Hkmp5sd]

m1911joe,

There is a big difference between "(1) It shall be unlawful for a person to sell, deliver, or otherwise transfer" a firearm to a minor and allowing a minor to hold a firearm inside a licensed gun store under the observation of an adult.

In order for a federally licensed firearm dealer to sell, deliver or transfer a firearm to any individual, he must fill out the Form 4473, perform an instant background check and meet local waiting periods (and any other local laws). An individual while on his licensed premises may examine and in some instances even shoot a firearm without going through those steps. One may conclude the dealer HAS NOT sold, delivered or transfered the firearm to that customer.

 

[Blackhawk]

Dumb laws if a minor can't touch a gun in a store. Who's going to get arrested if a minor manages to get a paw print on a cabled display gun?

The store owner for not child proofing his store?

A clerk for not manhandling a curious kid and risking ancillary charges?

A parent for having a kid?

 

[m1911joe]

I have to agree that it is a stupid law. But it doesn't just apply FFL dealers it applies to all. So you still can't "or otherwise transfer" a handgun to a miner. You are also confusing "sell"with "otherwise transfer". At the store this law is gotten around very easly by giving the gun to the "parent or guardian" first. They have the legal right to "otherwise transfer" the gun to the miner. We also give handgun lessons at the range. We have had kids take the class and the parent has had to be there for the class otherwise we as instrutors could not have put a gun in the kids hands.

Like I said in my first post it is federal law, which it is. Do I like it? NO. But it is a law that we have to live with. You also assume alot what the ATF can conclude is or is not a transfer. Very dangerous to assume something like that. They have a funny way of doing just the oppsite of what you would think.

Please get the flier from the gun store and read it. Then tell me what you think.

 

[Hkmp5sd]

If the law is interpreted as meaning a minor cannot be handed a firearm in a gun store from the clerk, this is the first time I've ever heard about it.

I can state that when I was a minor and had saved enough money, I hit every gun store in the county, many by riding my bicycle, and checked out the guns until I found one I wanted. My parents would then go to the store and handle the transfer.

And in the event the federal law does mean this, per it's exemptions, state law overrides it....

18 U.S.C.922(x)(3)(A)(iv) in accordance with State and local law;

And in Florida, that law says....

790.17 Furnishing weapons to minors under 18 years of age or persons of unsound mind and furnishing firearms to minors under 18 years of age prohibited.--

(1) A person who sells, hires, barters, lends, transfers, or gives any minor under 18 years of age any dirk, electric weapon or device, or other weapon, other than an ordinary pocketknife, without permission of the minor's parent or guardian, or sells, hires, barters, lends, transfers, or gives to any person of unsound mind an electric weapon or device or any dangerous weapon, other than an ordinary pocketknife, commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

Which means the parent doesn't even have to be in the store. The parent could give permission over the phone or with a note.

 

[m1911joe]

Which means the parent doesn't even have to be in the store. The parent could give permission over the phone or with a note.


Were does it say that? Its not in your post.


If you were a young'un before 1968 you were aloud to do that.

 

[AK103K]

If you were a young'un before 1968 you were aloud to do that.

Your right, that was a whole different time and place. You could walk through town with a gun or have one at school with you and no one would bat an eye. Sorry thing is, in another generation, they will be saying how their Grandfather used to actually shoot guns, in hushed tones. They are doing it in the "slow, sure, way", even the history books are changing. By the time time your grandkids get to here of "how the west was won", they will have done it with a strong word and a mean face. And of all horrors, they actually learned to use foul language in WWII. Sadam will have been bored to death by Bush and the UN on TV, over and over, and over.....

 

[Hkmp5sd]

without permission of the minor's parent or guardian

It says the minor only needs permission. Doesn't say HOW that permission is to be transmitted to the dealer. Provided the dealer has a telephone, email or mailbox, the parent can give permission without being present.

(And I didn't get into guns until mid-late 70s.)