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LCP v. Kel-Tec

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by casual, Mar 4, 2009.

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  1. casual

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    i am interested in the LCP as an alternative/replacement for the Kel-Tec

    LCP recall issues aside, what is the opinion of those that own or have experience with both on the relative size, quality, ease of use, accuracy and reliability of these two pocket pistols

    i know there are other "pocket" alternatives available, but in my opinion, none of the higher priced alternatives could justify the additional cost, weight and size vs. the kel-tecs (mediocre quality and all), but i am open to persuasion on that point
     
  2. 1KPerDay

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    I don't know about the Kel-Tec, but I love the LCP. Seems very well made, great fit/finish, shoots very well, totally reliable so far. Disappears in a pocket. For $300 I can't imagine a better .380.
     
  3. tackleberi

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    Mine has been flawless, several hundred rounds of mixed ammo, but mostly Golden Sabre 102 gr. I've tried to make it not work (holding it weak grip, shooting it dry/no lube, upside down, mixed brands/weights of ammo, and even with boxes of the dreaded Magtech loads), and it hasn't failed me yet. I love my Seecamp, and carry it whenever pocket carry is an option, but the LCP is a very solid option as well.

    You'll get some firearms hobbyists that get all twisted up about the similarities/"copying" of the Kel-Tec design (calling it "little copied pistol", etc.). Does it matter? It is a purpose designed tool for a specific job; one shouldn't care about such items as long as the tool is reliable/durable. If your Kel-Tec has been reliable/durable, I see no reason to replace; however, if your Kel-Tec has given you a hard time, the LCP might deliver on some of the aspirations you had for the Kel-Tec design.

    Mine has worked well, and it's light weight is perfect for front pocket use/attached to a vest strap. Fit and finish is reasonable, but not Seecamp feel-good quality (but the LCP is also $269). Great tool, that fits a niche, as well as anything on the market, IMHO.
     
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    My shooting buddy carries the KelTec P3AT and I bought a post recall Ruger LCP. We regularly shoot them side by side. We swap occasionally to try something different. You will be surprised how similar they are when you take them apart for cleaning. Very similar indeed.

    My preference for the LCP is for ergomonics and the slide stop on the LCP is a nice feature the KelTec does not have. A mag extension on my LCP made it better for my large hands. My buddy's KelTec P3AT also has a mag extension. The KelTec extension lets his pistol carry one more round than my LCP.

    Both pistols have been reliable. Either will fit your need. Pick the one that fits your hand the best. Then try to find some .380 ammo! Getting harder to find around here! I have one box I have been hoarding until I can find more. That one box keeps me packing until I can buy more.

    Good Luck!
     
  5. rogerjames

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    If you are worried about reliability...as you should be...you shouldn't carry it. S&W 442 revolver is my choice. I would never carry a suspect 6 shot semi-auto vs. a 5-shot revolver. Are you looking for carry convenience or reliability?
     
  6. Schofield

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    I like a classic Tec 9. Anyone seen the movie Big Trouble in Little China?
     
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    I love my LCP. It hides easy shoots well. I am comfortable carrying it all of the time. I carry a extra magazine in my cell phone holder. I think that it will take care of most social situations that I might get in.
     
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    If the LCP is so reliable...why the recall? just because it fits in your pocket doesn't mean it will go bang. I carry a pistol for the extra capacity, if I can only carry 5 or 6, it's a revolver! My 2 cents.
     
  9. 1KPerDay

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    Do you even know what the recall was for?
     
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    I got a recalled and fixed LCP. 350 rounds (mix of Wolf, Golden Sabre and regular Remington, plus a few Buffalo Bore 100 grain'rs) and has not had an issue yet. Simple to clean and carried alot. Got a nice little DM Bullard pocket rig that works well. The Buffalo Bores's have a bit of bark to them, but not uncontrollable. Shoots well. With some practice, quick 2 shot strings can be routinely placed in an 8 inch circle at 7 yards.
     
  11. jon_in_wv

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    The recall was not a reliability issue. Also, modern autos are reliable. My LCP has been 100% reliable through several hundred rounds. If I had a revolver it would be what, 115% reliable? No, but it would be heavier, more bulky, more difficult to reload, and harder to shoot accurately at speed. When I hold my M&P 9c up to a snubby I can find NO reason why I should carry it over my M&P. The difference in size is WAY too little. The LCP or P3AT is a SIGNIFICANTLY smaller.

    The real question here is LCP vs. KT and I think its really six of one and half a dozen of the other. The LCP has a more polished feel and is a little smoother but the P3 has slightly larger sights. Both are fine pocket guns in my opinion. I used to carry a snub nose in my pocket in the hottest parts of the summer but I've switched to the LCP for the times when my M&P 9C is just not feasible.
     
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  12. rogerjames

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    If your "life saver" has to be recalled... does the reason really matter:confused:
     
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    If your "life saver" gets recalled, does the reason really matter:confused:
     
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    The concealment challenge between a 442 and a LCP is minor. The reliability difference is HUGE. If you are so worried about CAPACITY and RELOADING, you shouldn't be carrying an LCP.
     
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    :rolleyes:
     
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    LCP is a shooter, rides in my pocket every day.
     
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    IMO, they are both very close. each has its good and bad points, but in reality, they are rather small. the lcp does not have as good of "checkering" on the handle, so if your hand is sweaty (a real posibility in a sd mode) it will slide around more in yiour hand. the kel-tec has much beter grips. the lcp will put most of the brass in a nice neat pile when you shoot, as oposed to the kel-tec, which throws them in every difection for 25 feet! this is important only for 2 reasons. 1) if you reload, or 2) if you are a girl, and a hot case gets caught in your cleavage! it happened to my wife!. it was funnier than heck to me, but not so much for her. but i have had a hot case come back and hit me in the forehead. just something to think about. both of my pistols have had a trip back to the factory. so i dont see much difference there. although, the lcp wasn't "broken" when i sent it back. one thing i will reccomend is getting a couple of "pinkey" extensions for which ever you get. for me, it makes a world of difference in the shootability. good luck with your decision. if you have specific questions, pm me, i will do my best to answer any i can.
     
  18. chuckusaret

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    I have owned both but got rid of the LCP because of the recall and a AD. Replaced both with a NAA .380
     
  19. 1KPerDay

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    Care to share the details?
     
  20. jon_in_wv

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    I"ll second that. How was the AD the weapons fault? I'm not saying it doesn't happen. Its happened to me with a 1911.
     
  21. gglass

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    The Ruger LCP is the better weapon for fit, finish and accuracy. I now have 3 in the family and an old P-3AT that will forever sit in a sock drawer. All three of the family's post-recall LCP's have been 100% flawless in functionality, and my wife and daughter would likely shoot the person who tried to talk them out of theirs.

    As for the whole RECALL fiasco... I have never seen so much misinformation about an issue bandied about in my life. The recall was simply to fix a trigger-block issue that could have allowed the firearm to discharge if dropped. Is this potentially bad? You bet it is! The real interesting part is that Kel-Tec had/has the same issue, but NEVER issued a recall. Their solution was to make an inline manufacturing change, but to allow all pre-change P-3AT's to stay on the street.

    So what we have is a customer safety oriented manufacturer who gets a public black eye for doing the right thing, and a profit oriented manufacturer that comes out smelling like roses. Ain't America great?

    For the coming flames about how Ruger stole their LCP design from Kel-Tec... This is the sum total of enforceable patents held by Kel-Tec.

    Kel-Tec CNC Industries patents:
    * D527,788 Foldable bayonet
    * 6,928,764 Grip extender for handgun

    It looks to me that Kel-Tec and Ruger simply designed their guns using information from the public domain. Ruger does hold nearly a hundred firearm patents, if anyone is interested.
     
  22. Don357

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    The LCP is a COPY of the Kel-Tec P3at. The bugs have already been worked out of the K-T, and still working on the LCP. I think the warranty may be better from K-T than Ruger, but I'm not sure. Both are quality guns however, and I think the K-T is less expensive.
     
  23. gglass

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    Name ONE problem that Ruger is still working out on the LCP, Donny.
     
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    Fired when dropped off a work bench onto a concrete floor while cleaning other weapons. Stupidity on my part for having to many guns on the cleaning table at a time.
     
  25. chuckusaret

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    It is not just the LCP problem but the buyers confidence in Ruger Arms. Two new guns, two recalls and I call that a bad record to overcome.
     
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